Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 4

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Continuing the discussion about the impact of VAT on independent schools…

Why's that then?

I don’t think low intelligence gets you off the hook with this one, it’s an act of pure spite against children.

The levying of VAT on school fees is just not at the centre of everyone's universe. It's neither lack of intelligence nor spite but rather lack of interest by the majority of people in real life. They have their own concerns on which to focus. A sense of proportion wouldn't go amiss on these threads.

This is a very interesting shift in attitude and one you’ve brought up twice
today… we’ve gone from a general ‘great, all that privilege.. let them see how the other half live and ‘slum it’ it with the rest of us/‘cut your cloth accordingly’ to ‘people just don’t care about VAT on fees and have enough going on in their own lives’…

I definitely see this as a positive shift and a thinly veiled way of accepting that perhaps people against this policy at the start were misguided or even blinkered in their stance. I don’t think an overt acceptance of this is going to be forthcoming but the sentiment is there. This court case is unlikely to change anything material, but at least it appears to be righting some wrongs!

Oh give over KendricksGin.
If you want people who are very concerned about their children (and the education of children in general) to just ‘get a sense of proportion’ then the whole of Mumsnet should pretty much pack up and go home now. This is a support site for parents, remember.

The number of threads filled up to 1000 posts over the past year.. the outrageous comments posted... and you're saying no one on 'your side' cares 😂

A sense of proportion?

Oh the irony! And poetic justice!

When Labour have shown in disclosure in court that they did not act in a proportionate manner towards kids with SEND or those in exam years!

There is a reason why threads go nuts on MN. Brexit, Covid school closures etc etc, now private school VAT. It is because the Government policies were shambolic.

Get your facts right. I have never said I supported the VAT policy. It's this kind of aggression that switches off people who have no skin in the game. It's just the same minority of posters who post negative comments, just like it's a minority of posters on 'your side' who seem to constantly miss the point and respond with aggression.

The sense of proportion refers to the number of people actively supporting the policy. There is a collective chip on the shoulder on these threads the size of Gibraltar.

Missing the point again. By all means be very concerned about your children. Just don't assume there is some widespread vendetta against them. Keep your anger for the Government and the minority who are genuinely spiteful about it.

Minimising the closure of each school and making dismissive comments is not neutral.

No one is minimising anything. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking about the context of a closure particularly when it frequently emerges that there is a specific back story which has nothing or little to do with vat.

As for aggression: you have personally repeatedly been aggressive specifically towards me on this very thread.

So I find myself laughing again - at your darvo.

Examples please. Laugh all you like. It sounds like you need to.

And @strawberrybubblegum I was very upset at your earlier analogies. And MN were too as they were deleted. If that was what you took to be aggression, I readily own my outrage at it.

@strawberrybubblegumIf you report the aggressive posts that people have directed at you,Mumsnet will delete them. As they deleted yours.

Tbf it is a bad policy and some dc are impacted by it sadly.

But a lot is just how can people be hoodwinked by this. And before people respond I’m just talking generally rather than specific posters who feel they are not in that category.

Of course these threads focus on the policy, it’s the topic. As dog house focuses on dogs. Easily skipped if too much focus

It sounds like you need to.

You can't even ask for examples of your aggression without being aggressively rude 😂

“Keep your anger for the Government”

I am very angry at Labour. I feel they do not value Education and they do not value children! I am pretty outraged.

The private school VAT for me is a simple manifestation of the former. Like the Covid closures, the underfunding of SEND.
But why I find the VAT policy so disgusting is because I feel they used it in their manifesto. They used division and hatred towards children including those with SEND and that I simply cannot forgive.

@strawberrybubblegumI rarely ask for things to be deleted-and even rarely actually get them deleted. I prefer to let the conversation flow too. But if you’re not prepared to put a post you feel was aggressive to be judged by Mumsnet, but are happy to bring it up later, then you need to show receipts.

I don't really need to show anything.

The thing is @CurlewKate - whilst the metaphor that @strawberrybubblegum used was quite strong, now in hindsight, now that the court has disclosed all the actual knowledge and thinking of the Government, was it actually really that extreme? I am not sure. It is what Labour did, they ambushed these parents and kids. Knowing full well they are trapped to raise a few millions, temporarily. Regardless of the cost to those kids and families.
Let’s remember the very recent trauma of Covid on those children and families lives as well. This was a Government induced repetition of that. But Covid closures were proportionate overall, to save lives. This ambush was not. They full well knew the stress and cost to families with SEND children, many still recovering from the Covid years. I am sorry to say. There is no excuse. Especially not for Sir Keir who would have full well known it was a breach of the HR Act! Yet he put getting into power ahead of that. Unforfuckinggivable!

@Araminta1003Obviously we can’t discuss what @strawberrybubblegumactually said, but yes, it was very extreme indeed. And entirely inappropriate to the context.

I‘m not sure about all this hurty feelings stuff, if you support spite against people’s children I’d advise growing thicker skin.