Is this the end of Latin in state schools?

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Depressing news:

The Guardian

Equally it makes no difference to me what you say, one can only judge the quality of your posts.

And the quality of your posts were impressive?
Do you normally resort to insults when you think you can’t win an argument?

It’s RIBA, as an architect would of course know? But of course, then you’d also know that architecture hasn’t really been a properly “chartered” profession in anything but name since the 1980s when it was deregulated. RIBA membership is voluntary, like a union. There are very few genuinely chartered professions left (for example, chartered accountancy).

Incorrect, I’m not in Britain, It’s RIAI in Ireland, Royal institute of Architects Ireland,

Not sure that if you’re in Ireland then you have much useful knowledge to contribute to a discussion of the U.K. secondary and higher education system, other than pure opinion, then?

Latin is undervalued and under appreciated. I found it very useful studying modern languages and law.

I spent a long time working in London, but aside from that, I can give my opinion on whatever subject I choose

There isn’t a ‘UK secondary education system’. Each nation has its own separate education system.

Yes, you are perfectly free to give your opinion however underinformed you are.

Well, I’ve already won. Are you always this obnoxious?

Under informed in whose opinion…yours?
That dosent really say much considering some of the comments you have made

There are significant commonalities across the system, including a history of studying particular subjects, even though Scotland has different final examinations. They are all part of a broader educational history that isn’t the same as the Irish education system (though the Irish model was originally very similar). The NI system is currently based on the old GCSE/AS/A2 model from England and Wales from the early 2000s, because it was last remodelled as part of that system. Standard and Higher subjects are pretty consistent with GCSE/A-level despite the different structure and timing of the examinations.

Won what exactly?
What a ridiculous comment

Won what exactly?

Quite.

At this stage you comments are just becoming nonsensical

The LEP, the subject of the thread, is purely an English programme though.

And the Scottish system is not ‘broadly consistent’ with the English system - it’s really quite different. It’s Advanced Highers that are equivalent to A levels, Highers enable students to study a wider range of subjects to gain entrance to Scottish universities, and Standards were phased out over a decade ago.

These cutbacks are all so sad! Churning kids through the same science maths English sausage machine is not going to help the country- why should everyone be clones?
Why can't they have more choice- surely Oak Academy can produce video lessons or live stream them during school time and get an invigilator to supervise? What's the point of AI if it can't produce teaching plans - or surely some retired DBS checked folk would love to teach this.
So many ways they could be creative to save money, harness technology and increase choice but it's just bog standard idea-less cutbacks.
Rubbish.

The LEP, the subject of the thread, is purely an English programme though

@SabrinaThwaite If the thread is just about the LEP and the English system, why is someone based in Ireland equipped to comment on it at all? Because they believe English children in state schools shouldn’t be able to study Latin?

it does seem extraordinary in the year 2025 with technology being what it is now that schools cannot club together to offer less popular subjects and share resources. Children from one school can dial into another classroom for lessons. This is where the investment needs to go to level up rather than reducing choice.

You’re the one complaining about an Irish architect commenting on the ‘UK secondary education system’.

What you actually mean is the ‘English secondary education system’.

What with you being so picky about architecture institutes, I thought you might at least appreciate that the UK is not homogeneous when it comes to education.

As I previously mentioned, anyone on MN is free to comment on any topic they choose. You have already posed this question to me and received my response.
Numerous individuals have shared their perspectives on this matter, and, believe it or not, their viewpoints may not all originate from within England.

Scotland’s original education system came out of the wider English/UK one, though - the grammar and secondary system pre-1965. In the sixties the whole system was upended in different forms, in not just each of NI, Wales, Scotland and England, but across different counties and cities as well (some retained the 11+ and some did not in England; NI retained grammars; Scotland abolished the Qualifying Exam which was the equivalent of the 11+, but retained some nominal grammars, and so on). They all retain some of that earlier form, and have a closer common history than elsewhere, with similar subject traditions.

In any case, why should Latin be singled out? Why not get rid of music subjects and programmes, orchestras, art and design as well? All superflous, old-fashioned and needlessly expensive.

Surely, no one who wanted to study architecture at university needs to bother with art, or design technology, at any earlier stage: they can easily learn it during their training. It’s useless in the modern world to learn to draw or paint or anything like that - it’s especially outmoded now we have AI to draw and design things for us, and anyone can learn to operate a CAD program to be honest. So I don’t see why we should teach those redundant subjects to state school students. After all, we can just get computers and AI to design buildings for us anyway these days - don’t you agree, @BlueSky2024 ?

@Juliagreeneyes

You’re obfuscating now. You were calling out someone for commenting on the ‘’UK secondary education system’.

And incidentally, you can be a member of the RIAI and still be resident in the UK.

Weren’t you one of those posters who is delighted that some kids in the private sector might have their education disrupted by the VAT imposition and have to move schools? Are you opposed to Latin because you perceive it as somehow “posh”? I went to a bog standard state comp and I was desperate to do Latin: the idea that it isn’t for the likes of the poor is very damaging and classist.

Why should state school kids not get a chance to do a proper academic subject? Studying Latin was the original foundation of the grammar school system, after all.

Art and design is a central part of Architecture, I had to provide an Art portfolio at interview stage as well as do an aptitude test before I was accepted onto the course, so no, you cannot just learn it whilst studying Architecture,
You also clearly know absolutely nothing about the complexities or Architecture, the legalities and regulations involved if you think AI will be taking it over anytime soon, AI isn’t capable of drawing anything that makes any sense without the input of Architects, it is merely a tool that is used in the industry,
By the way not everyone can use CAD either, I know many who have tried and failed but again CAD is a drawing tool, everything that is drawn in CAD requires input and if you cannot design, or are not familiar with the legalities and regulations of the Industry it is quite useless, not to mind being familiar with extensive client requirements
It is clear to me you know absolutely nothing about the industry further that what you have learnt from a quick google search