How's the Private School VAT increase impacting you?

[mumsthewordi]

To private fee paying ...are kids/s still in private ? Are you comfortably still able to afford and happy paying it ?

To state, how do you feel? Have you been impacted by more kids in class or would you expect that to play out this year? Or perhaps you weren't supportive ?
Do you think state schools will improve ?

Full disclosure
A struggling fee paying parent of one kid only other is at state and my oh is an amazing secondary school teacher - we are a divided household indeed at time, but we've made choices best for us.

Well that’s a load of balls. If you read the statements from the affected schools
themselves they’ve been in financial trouble for years and years. By their own admittance. Lack of boarders seem to be an issue.
Probably not a bad thing that less parents are keen to send young children to be raised in institutions where abuse - sexual, physical and emotional is rife.
YOU might be convinced that a school like Maidwell being investigated AGAIN for abuse hasn’t hurt the numbers of people wanting their children to go there but you’re in the minority I would imagine.
Hands up all those who want their children to go to the school where Princess Diana’s brother was asexually abused? The one he’s just written a book about? And that same school is under investigation for abuse now too?? Anyone?
yeah, definitely the VAT issue that’s seen that one think about shutting…

That's how I feel about this policy. It has radicalised me against Labour! But I forgot, we aren't allowed an opinion are we? Only you can sit and ridicule and pontificate.
I mean you could just scroll on by and not engage but instead you come on here and spout crap.
"Absolutely unbearable moaning" isn't that what you are doing with this post?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out 👋

bigot? Ah of course. I forgot about the injustice of the privilege having their privilege used against them! Such an unfair world!

people of privilege do often feel
Like victims when others seeks equality, it’s a well documented phenomenon.
You’ll find a lot on SM and grps like Education Not blah blah about the injustice and the bigotry and the jealously and the ‘worry’ that their children’s private school background will be held against them ( and actually, outside of the UMC/UC bubble that may well be true).

As for Clemmies being short, no idea as I have only ever met the one. He might want to re-think that name when he’s older though ( unless he does go to work for mummy’s wealth mge firm of course) because it may actually go against him if he ever has to get a real world job.

@tortoise18 you've managed to completely radicalise me, who didn't particularly care about this issue

Didn’t care - really? A quick glance at your post history confirms 95% is devoted to the issue. If there’s anyone hammering away it’s you.

95% of it has indeed been banging head on wall equivalent of trying to engage with a trio of total zealots. I can see how pointless that is now.

Yes, sure wealth management does not generate taxes- what a waste of space! Money, let’s abolish it!

@tortoise18 - you need to take one long hard look in the mirror if stating that LAs should plan for school closures notified to them 6 months in advance offends you so deeply! Last time I checked, state education was a fundamental right for all children.

Most of us are Lib Dem voters anyway. And I am not part of that Facebook group. DC4 had some ambitions to eventually go to specialist music school but those have been destroyed by Labour and it was years away anyway.

@twistyizzy - I believe the non planning for actual school closure notified well in advance is a real problem. I hope you are all emailing your MPs/DFE to put in place a plan and I hope this gets picked up by the press. I knew this was worse than it looked, but I did not realise how bad it really was!

What you are saying is that the LA is refusing to make a special provision for independent children, and instead sticking to its pre-determined admission criteria, to which it is bound by the School Admission Code.

There are no provisions in the SAC for independent schools (why would there be? They are literally independent). There are provisions within the SAC that govern how an LA, or any admission authority deals with oversubscription, or where there are significantly more requests for places than current supply (Fair Access Protocol). There are provisions in the SAC for an LA to deal with closure of schools; the example posted upthread show an LA (Hackney) consulting with local schools regarding closure of LA/Academy schools, as per the SAC.

It increasingly looks like there are posters on here throwing a tantrum because they don't like the (statutory) school admissions arrangements that are coping just fine with any extra demand for places, whether it comes from private school closure or not.

@tortoise18 Good lord, are you Still here? 😂

@Liddlemoreaction

‘people of privilege’ Who are these people? Please define .. People who can see? People who can walk? People who don’t live in a war zone? Do please explain to me, what ‘people of privilege’ means to you.

Well yes, I suppose it is a bit like the farms, businesses and homes which were bought and destroyed for the northern branch of HS2 - often taking years for the compensation to come through - only for HS2 phase 2 to be abandoned (without any benefit to anyone) and the land left in a muddy, pointless mess at huge taxpayer expense.

That's not a good thing.

But as an added bonus, with threads on here cheering that farmers are losing their farms for no reason, because they're all rich bastards anyway.

Even though the failed HS2 line won't benefit those vultures, and the wasted taxes could have.

Oh wait, that's not so far-fetched... cheering at the pointless destruction of farmers is definitely a popular topic on here sometimes too.

“It increasingly looks like there are posters on here throwing a tantrum because they don't like the (statutory) school admissions arrangements that are coping just fine with any extra demand for places, whether it comes from private school closure or not.”

The Government have introduced mid year an entirely unprecedented policy leading to mass school closures potentiality and you have no plan whatsoever? And that is acceptable?

No it isn’t - these kids need to be funded and LAs need to be given the resources to contingency plan. A whole school closing is just that - a school closing. If there is 3-6 months notice plans need to be put in place and the obligations of the LA should be clarified and funded. Nobody said at any point private school kids are entitled to specific state schools - what they are entitled to is reasonable planning. Just like state school kids, when their school closes. It’s simple equality.

Nice try.

The law, as outlined in the statutory Schools Admissions Code, disagrees with you.

There are no mass closures of schools. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the current arrangements in place by LAs and state schools are failing to cope. There is nothing to suggest that any extra intervention by LAs or the Government due to private school closures is needed at all.

bigot

noun

1. a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Ooh, imagine being so antagonistic to private school children (not children the bigot actually knows, but any child, since they are part of a group the bigot doesn’t like) that the bigot makes up mocking names about them and gloats about imagined harm to them.

If it makes up insults like a bigot and wishes harm to unknown people due to their membership of a group like a bigot, then it probably is a bigot.

You seem to assume that all the children affected by an independent school clos in would join a state school. That's a pretty big assumption and likely unfounded as many if not most of the affected children will likely go to other independent schools.

Those who join the state sector are treated like any other state schools joiner.

As for children leaving independent schools now due to VAT. They can apply to LEAs for a state place but then have to accept it and move. They can't hold on to it for September. Again the same as any other mid year transfer.

Zealot is an antisemitic term potentially @tortoise18 which you should really be careful not to throw around, especially if you have been defending Labour. Not a good look.

If the LA works with a local school to implement more spaces, through a bulge class or increasing PAN, those admissions still have to go through the agreed admissions process and criteria. They don’t just open a class and move a whole group across wholesale.

“The law, as outlined in the statutory Schools Admissions Code, disagrees with you.
There are no mass closures of schools. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the current arrangements in place by LAs and state schools are failing to cope. There is nothing to suggest that any extra intervention by LAs or the Government due to private school closures is needed at all.”

I have told you - I think the law requires updating. The closures of private schools have just started. The Government is blackmailing these parents to have to go private again- it’s not OK. They are being treated worse than state school kids whose schools are closing - that is illegal on common law principles.
You cannot have one situation for children whose state schools close and another for children whose private schools close - if in both cases a public authority has caused the closures. It makes no sense! It’s deliberately harmful and spiteful to these children.

Well if that’s the end of the story I guess, but the land won’t disappear and for all we know may develop into something good. I honestly don’t think paying a bit more tax is going to be Armageddon. The children will thrive given the chance.

No child leaving a private school will be treated any less favourably with regards to school admissions, than a child from a state school.

The government's blackmailing parents into going private?

You've don't think that private school parents will tend to continue to use a private school?

You've lost the plot.

er, Wealth Management is about saving on taxes, about squirrelling away that money, using loop holes and grey areas, ‘investing’ Wealth Managers don’t get paid a fortune to make sure their clients are paying tax like mugs. FFS.