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Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 2

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ICouldBeVioletSky · 01/01/2025 20:05

Starting a second thread as the first one is still very busy, albeit it's veered off in a few directions...

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/e6465c9e-d462-48cb-a73e-74480059a1f3?shareToken=05bf599cd4a2376fe3ce83cdce607100

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twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:13

Sasskitty · 06/01/2025 18:11

No such fcking promise to other peoples children then? 🤮🤮🤮🤮

No because only the Labour party are allowed 'privileges'. No-one else is and they will make it their mission to ensure that happens

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:19

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:02

"Hopeless"??? It is vile misogyny and don't tell me that they don't do their due diligence on each bit of comms that comes out!! It is either failure to do due diligence ie incompetence OR it is intentional. Neither is a good look especially in light of the Jess Phillips + rape gangs news over the past few days.

I've said I'm not defending anything about it, or do you just want to find an argument for the sake of it?

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:21

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:19

I've said I'm not defending anything about it, or do you just want to find an argument for the sake of it?

But you sort of have defended it by saying it was done by a 21 Yr old with zero oversight ie Labour probably knew nothing about it.

comedia24 · 06/01/2025 18:25

Truly depressing - and exactly as predicted, small schools, offering a genuinely different more nurturing education and due to doing too much too quickly by the govt, they can't carry on and children the govt doesn't care about impacted mid year. Happy new year to us!

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:27

comedia24 · 06/01/2025 18:25

Truly depressing - and exactly as predicted, small schools, offering a genuinely different more nurturing education and due to doing too much too quickly by the govt, they can't carry on and children the govt doesn't care about impacted mid year. Happy new year to us!

Ah yes, the many times I was told I was scaremongering or lying because no schools would have to close! The "bleating of the over privileged" was 1 comment

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:28

boys3 · 06/01/2025 17:55

https://lsf.org/app/uploads/2025/01/Faqs.pdf

undoubtedly disruptive, and quite how just retaining the current y10 through to GCSE conclusion in 2026 at the school will work in practice (when all other years have gone) remains to seen.

Reading that, a school that was taken over with a "five year plan" while going bust in 2015, was still going bust in 2020, and has now gone bust, running a £1m+ annual deficit in a 20 pupil per year school. Not everything is about VAT. If you're running a school as a business, and the business is bound for failure then, yes, it will be disruptive to your customers.

IVTT · 06/01/2025 18:29

They accounted for a % leaving due to the VAT policy but not the overall tipping point for a school to be able to be financially viable. For many schools you lose 5% of the kids, you lose the school.

It’s a through school too, so there will be kids mid-GCSE. Awful for them.

But hey, who cares about the “posho’s” living rurally in the East Mids! 🙄

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:33

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:21

But you sort of have defended it by saying it was done by a 21 Yr old with zero oversight ie Labour probably knew nothing about it.

Look, you said the leadership signed it off. Obviously they don't sign off every part of comms on every format. Yes, holistically they're responsible for it because they hired an idiot and someone with more seniority (not the party leader) should have stopped it going out. So, I'm not defending the comms or the content, but using absolutely every error available to make out that a huge organisation is poisoned is ridiculous.

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:37

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:33

Look, you said the leadership signed it off. Obviously they don't sign off every part of comms on every format. Yes, holistically they're responsible for it because they hired an idiot and someone with more seniority (not the party leader) should have stopped it going out. So, I'm not defending the comms or the content, but using absolutely every error available to make out that a huge organisation is poisoned is ridiculous.

A "huge organisation", it's a bloody political party, not Tesco! Comms is not part of the civil service, they are employed directly by the Labour Party

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:38

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:37

A "huge organisation", it's a bloody political party, not Tesco! Comms is not part of the civil service, they are employed directly by the Labour Party

Ok, so you do want an argument for the sake of it. Thought as much,

Try reading my words: "Yes, holistically they're responsible for it because they hired an idiot and someone with more seniority (not the party leader) should have stopped it going out."

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:41

tortoise18 · 06/01/2025 18:38

Ok, so you do want an argument for the sake of it. Thought as much,

Try reading my words: "Yes, holistically they're responsible for it because they hired an idiot and someone with more seniority (not the party leader) should have stopped it going out."

Edited

I am just responding to your attempts to dig yourself out of a hole. Responding to comments is sort of how a forum works.
No further engagement needed on this subject though.

comedia24 · 06/01/2025 18:45

I'm loving all the expertise in the Labour Party about the private sector - we're going to hear a lot of 'well, of course their business wasn't sustainable anyway' over the next few years sadly.

Sasskitty · 06/01/2025 18:46

comedia24 · 06/01/2025 18:45

I'm loving all the expertise in the Labour Party about the private sector - we're going to hear a lot of 'well, of course their business wasn't sustainable anyway' over the next few years sadly.

Terrifying isn’t it. Still whatever happens one thing is for sure - their own pockets will be lined well.

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 18:49

comedia24 · 06/01/2025 18:45

I'm loving all the expertise in the Labour Party about the private sector - we're going to hear a lot of 'well, of course their business wasn't sustainable anyway' over the next few years sadly.

Yep even though it has been pointed out that most indy schools are running on approx only 1 term surplus and that 75% of costs are wages hence why NI rise hits them so hard. But no, that will be spun as being the fault of the schools.
The other fact is that over 50% are charities so legally can't sit on a big surplus which gives them little wiggle room for when a government targets them with 3 separate and highly detrimental policies

TribeofFfive · 06/01/2025 19:08

NiftyTraybake · 01/01/2025 21:47

My wife and I are both doctors and can't afford the increase. Guess we're just not ambitious enough.

Cancel Netflix and don’t go to Starbucks. You’ll be grand then.

NordicwithTeen · 06/01/2025 19:46

Sasskitty · 06/01/2025 18:46

Terrifying isn’t it. Still whatever happens one thing is for sure - their own pockets will be lined well.

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What really makes me angry about it is that our local selective Grammar does worse than that non-selective that has now gone, leaving kids no doubt with SEN fighting for a place at a local comp. It frustrates me no end how much people think Grammars are fine and do a great job when they are far more selective and sometimes do far worse job with able students than they'd get at the schools derided locally as for "posh thickos"! If a selective school can't get into the top 300 in the country, what is really the educational point in shutting down non-selectives that beat them?

Araminta1003 · 06/01/2025 19:51

“Some 21-year-old in the comms department who didn't bother checking the translation of Portuguese lyrics for their shit TikTok is not running government policy, hope this helps”

And that is why some MML teaching and Latin goes a long way…

Labour have dropped a disruptive bomb into the lives of many school kids in the independent sector. Some supporters are clearly enjoying the disruption.
Sort of ironic that Labour are not enjoying the disruption sent back their way via Elon Musk. That’s just an hors d’oeuvre in any event, a warm-up before the big Trump-er strikes.

Heathbear · 06/01/2025 19:53

boys3 · 06/01/2025 17:55

https://lsf.org/app/uploads/2025/01/Faqs.pdf

undoubtedly disruptive, and quite how just retaining the current y10 through to GCSE conclusion in 2026 at the school will work in practice (when all other years have gone) remains to seen.

They aren't retaining them. Yr10 and Yr12 move schools to another in the Loughborough Foundation in the next few weeks.

Kittiwakeup · 06/01/2025 20:28

Araminta1003 · 06/01/2025 19:51

“Some 21-year-old in the comms department who didn't bother checking the translation of Portuguese lyrics for their shit TikTok is not running government policy, hope this helps”

And that is why some MML teaching and Latin goes a long way…

Labour have dropped a disruptive bomb into the lives of many school kids in the independent sector. Some supporters are clearly enjoying the disruption.
Sort of ironic that Labour are not enjoying the disruption sent back their way via Elon Musk. That’s just an hors d’oeuvre in any event, a warm-up before the big Trump-er strikes.

There is no link whatsoever between an imagined 21 year old comms person and MML and Latin teaching. This is becoming ridiculous.

NordicwithTeen · 06/01/2025 20:31

Kittiwakeup · 06/01/2025 20:28

There is no link whatsoever between an imagined 21 year old comms person and MML and Latin teaching. This is becoming ridiculous.

It is unlikely to be a kid from a private school that picked that music though, by process of elimination, it would be highly unlikely given the selectively non-selective cabinet.

NiftyTraybake · 06/01/2025 20:31

TribeofFfive · 06/01/2025 19:08

Cancel Netflix and don’t go to Starbucks. You’ll be grand then.

As well as taking in ironing and not eating avocado toast?

CautiousLurker01 · 06/01/2025 20:32

Kittiwakeup · 06/01/2025 20:28

There is no link whatsoever between an imagined 21 year old comms person and MML and Latin teaching. This is becoming ridiculous.

Unless the 21yo comms person had learned Portuguese (or even a bit of Spanish) at school… might have meant they spotted the meaning before the whole of tiktok.

Kittiwakeup · 06/01/2025 20:36

CautiousLurker01 · 06/01/2025 20:32

Unless the 21yo comms person had learned Portuguese (or even a bit of Spanish) at school… might have meant they spotted the meaning before the whole of tiktok.

Except we don't even know if a 21 year old comms person was the culprit do we. .

I am fluent in Spanish to degree level and would not be able to understand the Portuguese lyrics (thank goodness). This vocabulary would not be taught as part of any curriculum and Portuguese is generally not taught as a key MFL in the UK.

Now can we get back to reality please.

NordicwithTeen · 06/01/2025 20:39

Kittiwakeup · 06/01/2025 20:36

Except we don't even know if a 21 year old comms person was the culprit do we. .

I am fluent in Spanish to degree level and would not be able to understand the Portuguese lyrics (thank goodness). This vocabulary would not be taught as part of any curriculum and Portuguese is generally not taught as a key MFL in the UK.

Now can we get back to reality please.

You're right.

All we can say with relative surety is that whoever picked it went to a non-fee paying school and presumably didn't have any tutoring in languages.

Kittiwakeup · 06/01/2025 20:41

NordicwithTeen · 06/01/2025 20:39

You're right.

All we can say with relative surety is that whoever picked it went to a non-fee paying school and presumably didn't have any tutoring in languages.

If this is not in jest, it is ignorant and insulting. My DC went to grammar and studied French, German, Spanish, Latin and some Greek before they narrowed down their language choices. They also each got four A stars in their A-levels.

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