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Help please!! Foul play, teacher marking work fraudulently

267 replies

TM80 · 01/07/2023 12:15

I would like some advice on what I should do. My DD is in Y5, they have finished their end of year tests for Maths and English. The teacher had lost a few of the children's test answer papers, so he has given one of the children the opportunity to do the test again. However, my DD has observed the teacher providing the child who had to do the test again with the answers. Now unsurprisingly, this child has scored 140 out of 140, this child also happens to be the 'teacher's pet'. Where do I go with this information?

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VasariMichelangelo · 01/07/2023 17:51

TinyTom · 01/07/2023 17:39

<insert massive eye roll>

You sound just like one of my teenagers.

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 17:51

VasariMichelangelo · 01/07/2023 17:50

That's what SS are for

That’s why they’re so overstretched and miss so many issues……..

jolaylasofia · 01/07/2023 17:53

TM80 · 01/07/2023 12:27

I know the score of the other child, as the teacher had announced it to the class and made a point that the child achieved the top grade.
Whilst this is only Y5, but this is the standard end of year test that children in all schools complete.

where do you live?

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 17:53

VasariMichelangelo · 01/07/2023 17:51

You sound just like one of my teenagers.

I’m not surprised to be honest! Mine would be eye rolling me, if I was acting like you!

TM80 · 01/07/2023 17:55

Ewock · 01/07/2023 13:42

Not all schools do end of term/end of year tests, most do but not all. Also there are many different assessment schemes schools can buy. These are only used to support the teachers judgement, they are certainly wrong to cheat however this will have no effect on your child.
If you feel you need to report it, do so to the head. But it really is a non issue the yr 6 teachers will realise very quickly the results are inflated and this will then point back to the yr 5 teacher.

Yes, at the end of the day, it's not benefiting the child or anyone and will point back to the teacher, which will be them to explain themselves.

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Parker231 · 01/07/2023 17:57

TM80 · 01/07/2023 17:55

Yes, at the end of the day, it's not benefiting the child or anyone and will point back to the teacher, which will be them to explain themselves.

You would report a teacher without any evidence?

VasariMichelangelo · 01/07/2023 17:58

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 17:51

That’s why they’re so overstretched and miss so many issues……..

Sorry, I may have taken your comment too literally. I meant if worried about some parents having children. I now get the joke.

But honestly, parents care as little about what teachers think of them as teachers think of parents so swings and roundabouts.

TM80 · 01/07/2023 17:58

Nowthenhere · 01/07/2023 13:13

If it is a reality that an adult has given special privileges to one child this may risk the child becoming more isolated from their peers and at risk of being groomed.

If it is a reality that it happened then questioning the alter motive is important and raising a safeguarding concern through the schools safeguarding lead is the best way forward.

Well done for being vigilant on keeping other children safe in addition to your own.

Yes, I know the teacher will also look after the child in their classroom after school as the child doesn't like to go to the afterschool club.

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Maireas · 01/07/2023 17:59

What exactly would your complaint to the Headteacher be?

Zonder · 01/07/2023 18:01

I don't know if this has been clarified on here but there are SAT like tests in year 5 and schools can opt in to use official year 5 papers. Many schools don't opt in and will just do their own, possible less formal, assessments. In those cases often the children don't even know they're being assessed.

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 18:03

TM80 · 01/07/2023 17:58

Yes, I know the teacher will also look after the child in their classroom after school as the child doesn't like to go to the afterschool club.

How do you know the child doesn’t like after school club? Does your DD go to the club, I wonder if your DD bullying the child, saying she’s teachers pet, making up stories about her is what’s putting her off after school club?

Hobbi · 01/07/2023 18:06

@TM80

'Yes, I know the teacher will also look after the child in their classroom after school as the child doesn't like to go to the afterschool club.'

Well, that's a convenient and potentially libellous drip feed.

TM80 · 01/07/2023 18:07

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 18:03

How do you know the child doesn’t like after school club? Does your DD go to the club, I wonder if your DD bullying the child, saying she’s teachers pet, making up stories about her is what’s putting her off after school club?

Yes DD attends the after school club and far from bullying the other child.

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BrimFullOfAsher · 01/07/2023 18:07

Does anyone else find it hard to believe that they were able to remember all of the answers in order to score 100%?

sunnyday81 · 01/07/2023 18:08

As a teacher the tests you are referring to are standardised tests made by companies and purchased by schools that save teachers time by ensuring they have end of term / year tests that are at the right level without having to make them from scratch - this is why other school children the same age have sat the same tests. These results aren’t published. They mean nothing to anyone apart from the child taking it and the teacher.

It shows the teacher (and child) where the individual child (and generally the class’) strengths and weaknesses lie so the teacher knows what needs reviewing and what concepts they are secure with. The teacher doesn’t really need a test, as they will know from class work what the child’s attainment is but it helps to confirm their opinion.

If the teacher has actually lost papers there is no way they would announce it to the class!!! That was obviously a joke. I suspect they sat with a child(ren) who had performed really poorly and went through each question in turn or perhaps a child was anxious about sitting the assessment so the teacher was kind and sat it with them ensuring they got 100% to boost their confidence. The results are meaningless to anyone else. Announcing the results to the class is a little bizarre but it sounds like another joke or a clumsy attempt to boost the confidence of a nervous or low attaining child.

If my child reported the above to me, I wouldn’t entertain the idea.

You can ask the actual teacher what happened or the headteacher but expect some raised eyebrows and suppressed giggles in response.

In future, downplay any comparisons between your child and others - it’s a recipe for upset.

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 18:08

TM80 · 01/07/2023 18:07

Yes DD attends the after school club and far from bullying the other child.

I thought she might attend it…..

I think you need to look closer to home about what is really happening here.

rainbowruthie · 01/07/2023 18:12

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/07/2023 12:19

@ApocalypseNowt how about MI5 and the FBI too? These terrible teachers😂

MOD should surely be alerted too

brunettemic · 01/07/2023 18:22

Maireas · 01/07/2023 16:04

Ok, @brunettemic - I'll see you there. At some point I may have to pop into Tesco because I'm low on Bertolli and dishwasher tablets, but I can certainly man barricades.

Excellent, see if there’s any good snacks on offer, we might be in for the long haul. Don’t forget to scan your club card.

IsThisReallyPC · 01/07/2023 18:25

BrimFullOfAsher · 01/07/2023 18:07

Does anyone else find it hard to believe that they were able to remember all of the answers in order to score 100%?

OP stated the teacher was giving the child the answers, no need for them to remember anything

Cerealkillerontheloose · 01/07/2023 18:28

GalileoHumpkins · 01/07/2023 17:35

See if it works this time!

Same

🤦‍♀️

WakeUpSpacedOut · 01/07/2023 18:29

The NFER Y5 maths tests are out of 140 (overall - there are 3 separate tests). We do them but they are only used as one of many different tools to help inform the overall teacher’s assessment.

I read questions aloud to any child who asks. If a child is struggling with a question during the test, I might prompt them a bit but make a note of it so I can work out their fully independent score.

Most children I've taught understand why this happens and trust me, as the teacher, to assess them all fairly. I’ve also known one or two think it unfair but they’ve been promptly corrected.

Brightbear · 01/07/2023 18:29

brunettemic · 01/07/2023 18:22

Excellent, see if there’s any good snacks on offer, we might be in for the long haul. Don’t forget to scan your club card.

Could you get a bottle of wine to share please? And some popcorn 🍿?

Maireas · 01/07/2023 18:29

Ok. Wine and popcorn. Anything else?

Cerealkillerontheloose · 01/07/2023 18:30

rainbowruthie · 01/07/2023 18:12

MOD should surely be alerted too

SAS and SBS too

isnt there an MI6? Or MI7 😂

(joke)

Cerealkillerontheloose · 01/07/2023 18:31

Maireas · 01/07/2023 18:29

Ok. Wine and popcorn. Anything else?

Oooh. Doughnuts!