Epsom College tragedy

[Bambala]

I was horrified to read the story about the headteacher and family dying this morning, this poor family and I can't stop thinking about how the children at school must feel learning about this tragedy. I am sure the staff there are being brilliant at supporting them. I remember hearing that my old headteacher had died after I left school and even then being really shocked and upset.

The idea of someone being ‘the head’ of their family based on other people’s perceptions of their jobs is silly. And so patriarchal.

Trust me had he not had a gun to hand he would have found another way. These events are thankfully very rare. What makes no sense is blaming guns! Why not look at banning alcohol for example as far more are killed by drunk drivers.

Please don't imagine this me saying an excuse for this man. However, women as leaders, which is what this woman was, is something that engage really regressive feelings within both sexes about perceived roles and value. It's not an excuse for this man but I imagine when the inquest comes forward it will have been part of his mindset.

This.

Being a successful woman does not deserve being punished by murder.

Indeed, the inability of men to control their impulses to dominate and crush
The inability of men to share power, to function as an equal partner.
THIS is the problem with men.

He may well have had a psychotic episode or other mental health episode. Assuming he killed them because she was successful is pure conjecture.

Exactly this. It has never to my knowledge happened before, so now it will be up to schools to consider the wording when they offer accommodation to staff.
The trouble is though, you can't build everything on "what ifs" because 99% of the time nothing untoward happens. What if the Head's dog had bitten a child to death? Do you ban all dogs in school just in case?
It is so very sad, poor little girl and mummy.

Yes men punish women for being better than men are, they have to have power have to be in control have to be the boss have to destroy anything which threatens their dominance.
They prefer to live in a primitive male dominated dog-eat-dog world.

Men like this never 'walk away'

Coercive control noted in 70-90% of cases investigated

Personality disorders rather than mental illness are the hallmark

Yep that’s my thought too @Soothsayer1

So if he has mental health issues why was he allowed to keep guns. Have a gun licence. And store them on school grounds with boarders there at all times? Whichever way you cut this it’s horrendous and many questions need asking. I also think that proximity and access of a gun facilitates this especially if it were spur of the moment. Much easier and quicker to pull a trigger once than it is to repeatedly stab your wife and child to death. Guns are not the answer.

He had also just lost his job unexpectedly. I am sure this played a role given she has just started a new sparkly job. And who knows if he had got a new job. She said he had. But who knows. Maybe that was her way of stopping him feeling emasculated.

He had also just lost his job unexpectedly.

Where are you getting this from? He was running his own company. His wife did say that he had unexpectedly started a new job, but he didn't lose his old job.

Psychotic episodes can start relatively randomly at least to the untrained eye. Having a relative who’s experienced this it’s not necessarily something with a long build up. Obviously in this case it won’t have been on his records as his licence was just amended.

It’s also relatively easy to turn the wheel with your family in the car into a head on crash at 60mph not only killing them but other road users. Guns aren’t the problem here.

Well doubtful she was going to announce on the pupil podcast that her husband had recently become unemployed

Well the difference is that guns serve literally no other purpose than killing things

I disagree, imo that's a MUCH harder thing to do than just pulling a trigger
Guns are a massive problem

Pest control, culling deer especially which incidentally cause a lot of RTA’s in U.K. due to high numbers. Just because you have no need for a gun doesn’t mean they don’t serve a purpose in Society in ways you won’t even have thought about.

@SpookyBlackCat read the news! His company had £31 left after debts

@Oaktree55 yes it was on his record. He had long-standing mental health issues. It was known. The truth will prevail.

That was hardly unexpected. His company hadn't made a profit in years.

You're just making shit up for the drama.

Exactly. Especially if she knew he was sensitive about it.

Agree

Well I find that hugely surprising as a household that has guns, the medical checks aren’t easily circumvented. There are also numerous opportunities as a female in a household with a licence to inform police that there is domestic “unrest” even if anonymously. If I were to do this the licence would be revoked or at the very least not renewed!