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RGS Guildford 2018

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Rianna · 02/01/2018 14:11

I’ve had so much fun lurking on the entrance test threads in the last years - now it’s my son’s turn .
Still 10 days to go but I’m starting the thread .
Sitting a couple of other schools as well so maybe we could start a general ‘ Surrey entrance exams ‘ thread ( fun ;-)! )
DS ‘s first exam is in two days time .
He’s preparing himself by playing computer games . I let it go as I don’t believe in prepping children too much for these exams - . I just want him to be relaxed .

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ChocolateWombat · 07/02/2018 09:50

Agree that when you are looking at league tables and the differences are just a couple of % at GCSE or A Level, and you factor in that even then there maybe statistical reasons for the differences such as exactly what has been included, you cannot decide one is 'better' than the other based on that.
In the end, location is very important. Close is definitely better, a short commute is okay, but a lomg one is to be avoided unless there really is no other option. Regarding extra curricular and pastoral care, remember that when any school offers a huge amount, any individual child won't access it all - think about YOUR child and which things they are likely to get involved with. 50 rugby teams might be impressive, but if your DS isn't into rugby, it will be irrelevant. Ability to be involved with extra curricular after school is very much tied up with journey home too. Regarding pastoral care, it's hard to get a handle on this one. Schools all talk the talk and will have policies. A lot can come down to how good individual form tutors are - and there's no knowing in advance if you will get a great or a less good one.
I do have personal experience of both super selective state and indie school. In my view, the indie sees the parents as customers more. They will go out of their way to respond quickly to parents queries and to try to create timetables etc to suit individual requests. In most Indies, there is a wider range of abilities than the super selective grammars where competition for places is more fierce due to there being no fees. There are probably more super clever children in the Grammars and a smaller ability range. That said, indies are often good at squeezing the best out of their less able students, so there can be great value added, and a bright but not super bright child can often get into the Indie if they pay full fees, but simply won't get into the super selective. I think those bright, but not super bright children often get great 'uplift' from a good Indie.
In the end a lot depends on money. If the fees are a drop in the ocean for you, the indie will offer smaller classes and nicer facilities and yes here will be lots of trips and visiting speakers etc. In my view, these are 'nice to haves' and if you have loads of money and the fees are not a sacrifice, then go for it. Also if your child isn't likely to get into the Grammar, it may be worth pushing yourself on fees if the state Comp options are not good, because there's a bigger chance of getting into the Indie. If the state options are great,nthenndon no need.
If however, fees will be a struggle and mean no holidays for years etc and you have a Grammar option or a great Comp, I think it's a no brainer and the state option is the one. A Grammar will deliver the academic education and loads of extra curricular too, it might not be so shiny or polished, but it will do the job for FREE and those extra shiny bits are not worth £18k if the great academic education can be had for nothing and that £18k involves big sacrifice for a family. Loads of well educated and interested families send their kids to Grammars and good Comps,nowhere their children get a string of great GCSEs and A Levels and embrace a range of acitivities and go to great Unis and careers. Having interested parents is the key thing and going to a good school, regardless of if you pay or not comes next.
Personally, if I had a Grammar offer, unless I was very very well off, Inwould take it.

Omi80 · 07/02/2018 10:02

Thanks both ... really appreciate the opinions.
we live in Epsom so 30 minuets train both ways and the frequency is almost same ....

Rianna · 07/02/2018 10:33

Sounds like your son is very bright anyway ..if money is not your concern toss a coin ..,
Btw I didn’t mean to sound arrogant about motivation . But immagine you’re a bright person who hasn’t had the opportunities and does a crap job ... you would let your child work extra hard to get a place at a Grammar wouldn’t you ?
No judgement intended .

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anonymoosy · 07/02/2018 20:38

Fingers crossed for everyone tomorrow. Do you think we'll get the letters on the 8th or 9th????

Levante · 07/02/2018 21:32

Posted tomorrow so should arrive on Friday! Good luck to everyone!

Rianna · 08/02/2018 06:11

Thx . I’m getting nervous now as my eldest son said he really thinks his brother would be happier at RGS - and I know he didn’t do well at the interview . So yes I’m nervous , luckily have to work today . I will let you you know tomorrow.

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Letsgofasternow · 08/02/2018 10:52

Omi, with regard to academic record I think if you compare the RGS against the state grammar you will find RGS has better results be GCSE or A level. RGS A/A is 92% compared to 88%for the state grammar for GCSE. Even more telling is the fact that 70 boys got all A out of 141 who took the exams compared to 3 out of 151 boys at the state grammar. 88% A*/A is excellent but not as good as 92% that was achieved by RGS. If you compare A level results again you will find the RGS is higher. So the state grammar is very good academically but not better than the RGS.

Zam786 · 08/02/2018 14:04

Good luck everyone for tomorrow. I truly hope you all get the ‘big white envelope.’ Smile We are super happy that our DS has also got an offer for Reeds at 13+ today.

Levante · 08/02/2018 15:45

Well done Zam! That’s great! I’m sure everyone will get in to the school that’s right for them. Best wishes for tomorrow for everyone.

cmjmama · 08/02/2018 16:02

it is great looking at league tables but also remember that there is another side to them...what if your DS is the 1% that doesn't get an A just a plain old B,,, god forbid!! do they decide they are stupid and worthless compared to every single other boy in their class? the other interesting side is how many boys get into top universities for their chosen subject % wise I am not sure it is much higher from RGS than some of the other schools you are looking at. The top uni's take into consideration the environment they were working in, a boy who gets A at a state surrounded by people who maybe didn't want to learn has potentially shown a lot more work ethic than someone surrounded by high achievers who simply went with the flow.
Absolutely no negative assumptions intended we, just like everyone else, are trying to decide what feels like a massive scary choice for our son.
Letters must be in their envelopes now and almost on their way.....good luck everyone. Lets just hope all the boys get somewhere they are happy with.

Letsgofasternow · 08/02/2018 17:01

I think it is interesting that he top 3 destinations for RGS boys are the last 8 years are:

  1. Cambridge
  2. Oxford
  3. Durham

So the school must be doing something right.

Rianna · 08/02/2018 17:18

Well done Zam !! Maybe see you there in a couple of years :) (we went for 11 )

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Rianna · 08/02/2018 17:21

So a big enveloppe is a Yes and a small one a no ? Then I’ll know before opening .

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Omi80 · 08/02/2018 17:27

DS only want to go to RGS, so our decision making in much easier now Smile ... I hope we don’t regret it.....

Thanks for your opinions and best of Luck for tomorrow

Ragstorags · 08/02/2018 18:11

Good luck one and all. Appreciate the sage advise and insights over the last few tense weeks. One sleep to go. Day off work booked & prosecco is on ice either way! Confused

Zam786 · 08/02/2018 19:00

You will know Rianna if it’s a yes or no by the envelope. Yes we might see you at Reeds in a couple of years. Although it would have been great to get RGS. Things happen for a reason and our DS will go on to do amazing things.

anthos · 08/02/2018 20:24

We got Reeds today too. Fully expecting a 12+ retry from RGS tomorrow. Either way, good luck all. Right school, right boy.

Having gone through this whole process, initially I thought 'hmmm' when people have said 'right school, right child, right fit' regarding all of the assessments/interviews. Each school we have sat as had its own style, way of testing and way of doing things that impacts your view of the school and how your dc could fit into it. That impacts how they will enjoy school, learn, grow and develop as a well rounded young adult throughout their school years, regardless of league tables, exam %'s.

Right school, right boy. Good luck all!!!

Zam786 · 08/02/2018 20:47

Congrats on Reeds Anthos! Good luck for tomorrow.

surreygoldfish · 08/02/2018 20:53

Good luck all. I have 2DS at RGS - it’s a great school but not the be all of everything. I know a number of boys who didn’t get in and did / doing extremely well elsewhere including coming out with 10A*.
Go faster - not sure where your stats are from - website states 32 boys got all A last year and around 70% entries were at A.

Omi80 · 08/02/2018 21:10

Hi surreygoldfish ( good name :) ) ... will you recommend RGS.. my DS is bright , love arts and languages ... not a sporty boy

Letsgofasternow · 08/02/2018 23:26

Oops, my mistake, 33 boys at the RGS got all A* out of 141 which is 22.7%

At Wilson's 3 boys out of 151 got all A*, which is 2%

I think 22.7 is more than 10 times greater than 2.

Also RGS A* = 68.5%
Wilson's = 57.2%

If you also compare A level results again RGS is higher. So to say Wilson's is better academically than the RGS is simply not correct.

Rianna · 09/02/2018 08:42

Omi my son ( the eldest )isn’t sporty and it doesn’t matter at RGS . Sports teachers are nice and encouraging but there’s plenty of non sporty boys .
Your son will love it there , I’m sure .

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Omi80 · 09/02/2018 09:03

Thanks Rianna.... and all the best to you and all other parents waiting for the results

ChocolateWombat · 09/02/2018 09:03

Letsgo, for a meaningful comparison, you do have to compare over several years and often you need to dig a bit deeper into the results which isn't always easy....for example, how many boys in each location have dropped a subject before GCSE because they weren't likely to get a high grade....both schools will have that happening. And where there are differences of just a couple of % that often covers just a handful of results - it's tiny. Both are very good schools. It will be true that on an applications per place basis, superselective Grammars are harder to get into in the first place - quite simply more will apply as there are no fees. Frequently, the super selective grammar has a less wide range of ability and less of a 'tail' than an independent school, but the independent school does very well in squeezing the max of out those bright, but not super bright children who are part of the 'tail'.

In the end, both are fab schools and anyone with either or both is very fortunate. For many people, the decider isn't just 2 or 3% difference in total A/A* but also distance and fees. Very many people with offers from both will choose the state super selective,mimplying because it offers fantastic results and the fees at the indie would be a real push and do t seem to offer much more than the fantastic academic education offered by the superselective for nothing. Most of those choosing the indie won't have an offer for a superselective too or if they do will be very very well off so the fees are not a key decider.

Anyway, both great schools and I hope people get their indie offers they want today, and if scholarships/bursaries are needed to make it happen, I hope you get those too.

cmjmama · 09/02/2018 11:22

any mail men been yet? stuck at work!!!

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