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Parents won't discipline children, schools are not allowed to discipline children, so grammar chools are the way forward.

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Longlost10 · 09/09/2016 19:40

The whole comprehensive system is dragged down by the financial, spiritual, moral, educational and professional cost of the huge number of total wasters in the student body. Those who disrupt lessons, ignore teachers, distract students, talk back, waste time, make paper aeroplanes out of worksheets, dawdle in late, don't bother to do their homework, don't come equipped, chat and fidget and generally make no attempt to learn. They are utterly selfish and just tink of nothing but enjoying themselves.They are pandered to and spoilt, offered endless chances, suck the system dry of money, time, energy, and resources. Teachers are held responsible for their imbecilic behaviour, and grind themselves into dust trying to work to change behavior which is under someone elses control entirely.

This is why I support grammar schools. It gives the top 25% the opportunity to get away from these yobs, and and incentive to behave well, and keep behaving well, as a grammar school student needs to maintain certain levels of behavior and achievement to remain a grammar school student.

So overall, the poor behavior goes down. Because a grammar school place is an incentive to behave properly, and so some bad behaviour improves.

In a comp, badly behaved pupils have nothing to lose. That changes in a grammar system.

And a large number of students can get away from the poor behaviour too. Of course there is some bad behaviour in grammar schools, but it isn't comparable.

So less bad behaviour, more learning, and fewer students affected by bad behaviour in others. Whats not to like??

Of course it doesn't solve the problem of having to put up with bad behaviour in secondary modern classrooms, but it doesn't make it any worse either.

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gillybeanz · 11/09/2016 16:38

well, I too think grammar schools are the way to go and so many people seem to believe they will help the bright to achieve their potential.
This can't be a bad thing surely?

Yes there are good and bad comps, there always has been, probably always will be until schools start sorting out the bad behaviour.
Why should hard working well behaved children have their education ruined (and it can be) because of those who can't behave?

I know some children are neglected and abused or none of these and behave badly, of course support should be given to these children too.
I can't see how they would miss out on a grammar school education, it's horses for courses.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 11/09/2016 16:40

I teach in a grammar school. It doesn't solve behavioural issues. We do not select based on behaviour.

mrz · 11/09/2016 16:49

Tutoring for the 11 plus is different to general tutoring for children who may be behind in certain subjects http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/services/11plus-tutors

noblegiraffe · 11/09/2016 17:01

2StripedSocks surely it is obvious that the more you read and practice your times tables the more fluent you will become in them. You don't need research where those activities are lumped in under a general 'homework' header with less focused activities to tell you that.

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mrz · 11/09/2016 17:16

2Striped an 11+ tutor is a "company" selling 11+ products ie: their services

noblegiraffe · 11/09/2016 17:18

My point was that evidence that says general homework at primary school doesn't affect attainment can't be used to say that tutoring for the 11+ has no effect.

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mrz · 11/09/2016 17:20

2Striped an 11+ tutor is a "company" selling 11+ products ie: their services
The site offers advice to parents

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mrz · 11/09/2016 17:22

No you don't need a tutor for times tables but if you are desperate to get your child into a grammar school against all the competition you might employ one to prepare your child for Verbal & Nonverbal Reasoning tests

2StripedSocks · 11/09/2016 17:23

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mrz · 11/09/2016 17:28

Or you can read the advice for free and buy nothing

mrz · 11/09/2016 17:29

Which is why there has been a hunt for tutor proof tests ...so far elusive even CEM

sandyholme · 11/09/2016 17:30

Doctor are you ideologically opposed to selective education!
You do nothing accept criticise grammar schools at every opportunity, despite choosing to work in them !

The behaviour in my DDs and DS grammar schools are excellent and nobody i talk to recognizes behaviour of the 'Educating Yorkshire' type (led to believe that is not bad really) at either of the DCs grammar !

The girls at DDs grammar always stand up for a teacher to enter the classroom, as well as politely putting their hands up to ask to remove Blazers or Pullovers.

Does that still happen at many 'Comprehensives' or is that seen to be 'subservient' now !.

mrz · 11/09/2016 17:30

http://www.sats-papers.co.uk/11-plus-papers.php including CEM

mrz · 11/09/2016 17:33

Or buy some CEM tests from Amazon

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mrz · 11/09/2016 17:34

Yes Sandy it happens in our nearest comprehensive and our main feed comprehensive