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Gove. When will he go?

154 replies

stillenacht1 · 08/06/2014 20:48

Things are unravelling for our Michael. What do you think will become of him? If he goes I will hold a partySmile

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Deecam18 · 09/06/2014 19:33

I definitely want an invite to the party if he goes and so all the teachers in My DD School. The man is a menace to our children’s education and must be stopped.

HappydaysArehere · 09/06/2014 19:37

The above postings help me to cope with the anger that I feel whenever I hear that egotistical, arrogant idiot announce another initiative based on his own school experiences. His lack of understanding in matters relating to how children learn is breathtaking, So what do we do? Let these free schools loose on our children with their unqualified staff until the damage is done! Alter the school syllabus! I feel like renaming myself Heartbroken Today. So good for you, all you party goers. Let's hope you can celebrate real soon.

SpottieDottie · 09/06/2014 19:57

bigTilly love it, plus we can get him to write the risk assessment.

PurplyBlue · 09/06/2014 20:01

Look at this morning's news on Birmingham Schools. This is a direct outcome of Gove's policies.
Academies and Free schools do not answer to the Local Education Authority, they answer to central government and can do almost as they please.
Gove has pushed academisation of schools and introduced Free Schools. They can teach what they like and anyone can teach in them. So of course you get nutters involved in them, of course standards are low.
How many academies, academy chains and Free Schools now have been in trouble because they are failing schools? Many just in the last few months.

Yes - this.

HappydaysArehere · 09/06/2014 20:04

That is brilliant. Give him something to do when he is kicked out and is looking for something to interfere in!

HappydaysArehere · 09/06/2014 20:11

You are absolutely on the money. He will never admit he is wrong and he will never listen to other opinions. The only solution is to kick him out and soon before more damage is done.

bigTillyMint · 09/06/2014 20:51

grovel, I so hope you are right.

stillenacht1 · 09/06/2014 21:06

Oh grovel please let it come trueSmile

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TalkinPeace · 09/06/2014 21:54

sadly with the current crop of ministers, he is most likely to reshuffle to Number Ten.

Whyjustwhyagain · 09/06/2014 21:57

Dear Lord, he has to go. Please.

TalkinPeace · 09/06/2014 21:59

Just to link two News stories of today ......
I hope they re show The New Stateman as Alan B'stard would fit right in with the current crop ...

Feenie · 09/06/2014 22:09

Anyone seen Michael Rosen's status today? Food for thought:

"One of the complicated things about governments targeting minorities is that on the surface it is about 'the other'. It's about what's wrong with 'the other'. 'The other' is a bin into which a set of objections are put. These objections are always 'common sense' as with Farage saying that this or that is 'natural'. He says he finds it problematic that people on a train are talking in a foreign language - even though his wife seems to talk to their children in a foreign language! But of course he was trying to hit a button, 'the other' is doing 'other-ish' sorts of things and 'we' all agree, don't 'we'?

When we discover that in other circumstances he tolerates people 'talking foreign' we realise that his objection is empty, it has no meaning. What he really means to do with the statement is define his version of 'we' and 'us'. He is putting his arm round an imaginary 'us' and defining it as 'we who don't like foreigners, eh?' This is much more important than any 'content' to the objection itself.

This is what's happening with the Birmingham schools. The 'other' has been defined as 'Muslim' and Gove et al are trying to recruit non-Muslims to an 'us'. Because these are politicians, they are hoping that this act of saying there is a 'we' who are against this Muslim stuff, this 'we' will also vote for them, thanking them for defining 'us' like that. They hope that we won't read what the governors and teachers are saying. They just hope that they will be able to create a big enough 'we' to be glad that 'we' have got a Tory Party to fight for 'us' and our 'right' to be different from the Muslim 'them'.

Today's statements by David Hughes and others in and around the schools is a big snag for them. They have said they are not Muslims but clearly are saying that they are in a 'we' or 'us' with Muslims. This is very awkward for the government. Not impossible to overcome. They will vilify and sneer. They will recruit willing servants to 'express anxieties' about the 'them'. And above all they will be highly selective in their objections. That is to say, that many of their objections to what they say that Muslims say and do, can be found in other institutions with Christian and Jewish emphasis. For example, some Academies are not 'faith' schools but have e.g. a 'Christian ethos'.

I am an atheist. I am in favour of all schools being secular. For the time being, this battle has been lost. In the meantime, any attempt to single one religion out from the others as specially problematic, needs to be looked at very carefully. Is any kind of selectivity going on? Gove et al appear to have undergone some kind of conversion in relation to these schools: one year they are stunningly brilliant and should expand…a couple of years later they are failing schools….Is the approaching General Election a factor? Are we about to be flung into a great bog of politicians trying to corral people into their version of 'us'?"

IamRechargingthankYou · 10/06/2014 18:57

Yes, the backroom people are putting together his 'exit strategy' now. So, given that the next minister will come from an existing pool of choices, can I ask that, after the 'partying', teachers act with a bit more restraint and dare I say, dignity, when dealing with the next incumbent?

Remember, you were pissed off before Gove and not just with policy, but with a great deal of bullying from other school staff too and this has substantially increased recently. Gove didn't make those people, the 'system' allowed these types of people to run schools like their personal nepotist empires. So many excellent teachers would have been better than these 'careerists', but they've been forced out.

If you seriously want to shape the educational system quit the 'mob' chanting and start with reasoned, educated dialogue - then you will be taken seriously and we can trust that you can help us parents educate our children to do the same.

Justtoobad · 10/06/2014 19:11

I have written papers on the education system.
I am allowed to do both (chant and write).
I doubt this is the forum for my academic review.

ravenAK · 10/06/2014 19:19

I wasn't pissed off before Gove. I loved my job & still do. The increasing likelihood that this time next year I shall be working in education & Slithy won't be fills me with genuine joy.

& I can do reasoned, educated dialogue when it's required. Also partying. I find my life is enhanced by both!

Mind you, I can't see Gove being re-shuffled. Cameron's too busy pretending he's got him & May under control to actually boot either of them out.

Effic · 10/06/2014 19:34

Prime ministers and political party leaders don't get rid of politcians - the media does...... And Gove is Teflon because the media looks after their own. Almost all the sizeable academy chains have or are failing and yet it doesn't make the papers! (Did you know Prospect chain handed back ALL of its academies back to the dfe last week and folded? Bet you didn't - barely made p27 of the papers.) Only the so called Trojan Horse fiasco gets media time and most of that seems to be pre-Gove. He has made a complete and utter disaster of education policy - new badly thought out curriculum, even worse assessment/exam reform, bizarre SEN code all rushed out so fast the schools have to implement the policies before they have been tested/trailed/researched and in some cases before the bloody policy itself is written! These plus the destruction of the LA and unrestricted and uncontrolled privatisation of education will affect generations and there is not a mummur from the press on any of it - just a brief sideshow about two self important politicians having a row.

JaneParker · 10/06/2014 19:35

Actually the Tories have a much better chance of being re-elected next year (thankfully) than anyone ever predicted when the Coalition took power. It's pretty amazing. Some people must think they are getting things right.

cotwatcher · 10/06/2014 19:41

well I like Michael Gove and I hope he stays. I think teachers have had it too easy for too long with final salary pensions and long holidays...welcome to the real world where all the bosses are not left wing and you have to work long hours without an automatic pay rise each year. Many people today have to earn their pay rise by meeting targets and receive performance related pay. It's about time it was shaken up...the NUT and the like have run education for too long.

cotwatcher · 10/06/2014 19:50

Yes, JaneParker, I agree they are getting it right. I hope they abolish LAs altogether and that the Tories win outright next year

rollonthesummer · 10/06/2014 20:07

Do you have a problem with teachers, cot watcher?!

Tanith · 10/06/2014 20:14

If you seriously want to shape the educational system quit the 'mob' chanting and start with reasoned, educated dialogue - then you will be taken seriously and we can trust that you can help us parents educate our children to do the same.

How can you have reasoned, educated dialogue with an Education Minister who refuses to engage? The biggest problem with Michael Gove and his education department is that they have their own agenda and won't listen to anyone who doesn't agree with them.

This situation happened on Michael Gove's watch. How on earth he and/or Michael Wilshaw have not been forced to resign yet beats me. They were ultimately responsible: they should stop squabbling and blame-shifting.

clam · 10/06/2014 20:20

"welcome to the real world where all the bosses are not left wing and you have to work long hours without an automatic pay rise each year. Many people today have to earn their pay rise by meeting targets and receive performance related pay. It's about time it was shaken up..."

Well, cotwatcher, if you lift your head out from the Daily Mail long enough to do proper research, you'll discover that all those things have applied to the teaching profession for some time now.

And, once AGAIN, those "long holidays" are actually unpaid.

HappydaysArehere · 10/06/2014 20:23

Cot watcher. Are you up for sending your children to one of these Free Schools? Do you mind if the staff are not qualified? Probably not as you obviously don't respect experience or qualifications.

rabbitstew · 10/06/2014 20:38

cotwatcher - in the "real world," some private sector jobs are pretty damn cushy and some people don't even have to earn their bonuses - they just need to make it briefly LOOK like they've done something to earn them, or just expect them because everyone in their sector gets them. And then there are the private sector jobs in sectors where governments bail you out if you cock up....

LuluJakey1 · 10/06/2014 20:39

Cotwatcher I am so sorry that your views are so ill-informed. You need to work-shadow a teacher for a month and see if the 50-60 hours an NQT works weekly for £21,000 a year seems reasonable to you then.

At half- term, at my school there were 30+ teachers in every day except BankHoliday Monday, teaching Y11, 12 and 13, doing revision sessions- unpaid- to help the students do as well as possible in their GCSEs, AS and A levels. Do you ever do 4 days at work unpaid when you are on holiday?

At Easter there were similar numbers in almost every week day doing the same thing.

Please don't spout the ill- informed views you have about teachers pay and conditions.