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Gove. When will he go?

154 replies

stillenacht1 · 08/06/2014 20:48

Things are unravelling for our Michael. What do you think will become of him? If he goes I will hold a partySmile

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OddBoots · 09/06/2014 07:23

I'll be joining the celebrations when he is gone but I think it will be too late for an awful lot of children and the disastrous legacy will be hanging around for decades to come.

meditrina · 09/06/2014 07:26

The 'Trojan Horse' letter was from 2010 and (if real) reports concerns from through the 1990s (and some comments to BBC support those time lines).

Is it right to blame Gove for a problem that clearly is nothing to do with academisation per se (as it happened under Labour academies - and we're some LEA control too?) and in the regulatory framework for academies that was unaltered from how the previous administration set it up?

Rideronthestorm · 09/06/2014 07:44

Oh, I do hope so. Please, please, please.

SlightlyNerdyPianist · 09/06/2014 08:10

I teach outside the school system and I'm sick to death of seeing kids as young as 6 coming along to my lessons saying they had a bad week at school because they had 'tests' and they were nervous and hated it. FFS. Six!
And yes, I enter young kids for grade exams, but they have a choice (many choose not to), and the ones who do, get a lot of pleasure out of doing them. If they didn't, I'd advise otherwise.

You can tell the teenagers who have teachers/lecturers as parents; "we had tests today so that the schools get placed in their league tables. Not for our benefit. Waste of my time. Government crap"

So yes, I'll be there waving banners too. A street party sounds excellent :)

stillenacht1 · 09/06/2014 08:23

Pickled porcupine yup snap with me. Cutting hours back massively next year. Reskilling myself so I can get out of classroom teaching Hmm

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creamteas · 09/06/2014 09:43

Unless him and Teresa continue to row in public (rather than behind closed doors) then he is not leaving till the election.

Cameron doesn't like reshuffles, so there is every chance Gove will remain in Education if they get voted back in.

By all accounts, Gove is desperate to get universities out of BIS and into Education, but this hasn't happened as BIS is a LD ministry, and Cable wouldn't let them go.

So a Tory majority could see him getting to destroy HE as well.....

SpottieDottie · 09/06/2014 12:39

SlightlyNerdy - that will be my DS then, he told his teacher (who is a friend of mine) that he didn't understand why Gove insisted on so many tests when his teacher was more than capable of saying he was doing well, as was he.

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SlightlyNerdyPianist · 09/06/2014 13:45

Spottie, I love it!

bigTillyMint · 09/06/2014 13:47

Can I come to the party too? Can't bear his spoil-brat face, never mind his effing policiesAngry

Swannery · 09/06/2014 13:49

I think he's supposed to be popular in the Tory party. One of their most successful ministers. Don't hold your breath.
NB if you're Education Minister, being hated by teachers is seen as being successful. Likewise being hated by lawyers if you're the Justice Minister, and being hated by the police if you're the Home Secretary. They go out of their way to be hated.

ouryve · 09/06/2014 13:49

I predict he will campaign for party leader, then, when no one votes for him, will quietly disappear into the background for a few years until he can come back into a role where he can really piss on people, as IDS did.

TheNumberfaker · 09/06/2014 13:53

I fear he won't go unless the Tories go in the next election. Anyone who votes Tory should be ashamed of themselves!

bigTillyMint · 09/06/2014 13:54

I like Spotties idea. But with hydrochloric acid soaked sponges.

Spottybra · 09/06/2014 13:56

Surely even Cameron can begin to see there's no way he could win an election with Gove present.

OddBoots · 09/06/2014 15:27

Swannery - I can kind of see that with regard to teachers but surely when he is just as unpopular with parents (and pupils) too then that's a different matter.

Swannery · 09/06/2014 16:50

OddBoots - I guess it's all about votes. What we need is a clear hatred of Gove, coming from prospective Tory voters in marginal seats. So a campaign in those particular constituencies, with masses of people writing anti Gove letters to the local MPs.

LuluJakey1 · 09/06/2014 18:13

Meditrina Gove has escalated the pace of the academies programme enormously and can no longer manage the quality assurance of it, nor of Free Schools.

He has created monsters - academies have been created under different legislation in recent years as have Free Schools. Dealing with their legacy will be almost impossible because Gove has so fragmented a system of school accountability, curriculum, examinations and finance.

I am 10 weeks pregnant and know my child will have to suffer the fall-out of Gove's cock-ups and ludicrously ill- informed changes. I am sickened as a Deputy Head in a secondary school at how little he understands or cares about the effects of his ignorance and elitist views.

ravenAK · 09/06/2014 18:20

we could play games.

Musical Grade Boundaries
Pin the Scandal on the Home Secretary
Squeak Pobby Squeak...

PickledPorcupine · 09/06/2014 18:37

Raven I like this idea! How about:

Stuck in the muderation
Snakes and attainment ladders
Connect 4b

meditrina · 09/06/2014 18:44

Yes, I'm reasonable familiar with coalition educational policies. The point was that the (possible) Birmingham situation wasn't of his making as a PP had suggested. The architecture for oversight of academies (and free schools, which are are essentially a subset of academies) was done by the previous administration. And that is also when first Birmingham allegations date from. Also the Prevent agenda.

But I'm sure most people read the rest of my post as intended. The key message is that Gove is a tool.

But playing the man not the ball is counterproductive.

weegiemum · 09/06/2014 18:46

I'm a teacher not even in under-18 ed, not even in his juristriction (I'm in Scotland). But he's such an affront to the whole profession I'd like to come to the party too?

misshoohaa · 09/06/2014 18:48

Would love a hash tag campaign against Gove #govemustgo

Power to the people!

LuluJakey1 · 09/06/2014 18:53

Glad we agree! Gove is a tool!

Unfortunately, his policies very much reflect his personal views. I have a friend who works in the department and who tells me he is regarded as mad and people disappear into offices and out of site when he arrives.

grovel · 09/06/2014 19:03

I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved next week. I'm told (by my not completely reliable MP) that he's seen by Cameron as a thinker/shaker-upper. His type should be moved on relatively quickly and replaced by a managerial type to consolidate change (think Hunt taking over from Lansley at Health).

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