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Gove kills the mockingbird with ban on US classic novels ...what do you think?

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mrz · 25/05/2014 09:34

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/article1414764.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_05_24

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Slipshodsibyl · 28/05/2014 11:03

'DD's school reckon they've chosen a board for A level Eng Lit that is 'harder' than some others, which they think will help students applying to universities: I don't know how much harder they think it is, or whether it will help, but it seems utterly ridiculous that this should even be a conversation.'

Yes it does appear ridiculous , especially when we are frequently told all are of the same standard. I am aware of this idea that one of the harder boards will be of help - I hear it often - but I am fairly sure it isn't true in practice.

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 11:04

I don't think universities are in much of a position to favour a "harder" exam board over an "easier" one given that the DC have no responsibility whatsoever for the choice of exam board. It would be discriminatory for universities to pay much attention to a school's choice of exam board.

BitOutOfPractice · 28/05/2014 11:06

I honestly believe that Gove will not be happy until our kids are sitting in rows behind desks with ink wells, in a classroom with a blackboard, learning The Boy Stood On The Burning Deck by rote

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 11:08

IMVHO children don't mind learning reams of poetry by heart one little bit. My DD is in her fourth year of poetry recital and learns great long tracts all on her own and gets As every time. It's one of the easiest tasks she is set!

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2014 11:11

One thing I've read which made me wonder was 'if English teachers are so desperately short of time to get through the syllabus, why was early entry such an issue?'

BitOutOfPractice · 28/05/2014 11:11

It is for kids that have good memories. Or enjoy it. But it can kind of kill thinking and enjoyment

BitOutOfPractice · 28/05/2014 11:12

And Bonsoir I suspect he's allowed to learn stuff written after 1947 and by non-English authors

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/05/2014 11:14

Slipshod and Bonsoir, such is my interpretation. A ludicrous situation.

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 11:15

The DC I know love the entertainment value of poetry recital - you get to stand up in front of the class and act! All that expression! It's fun.

DD's class teacher last year was an actress before she became a teacher and she got the children (Y4) to perform Maurice Maeterlinck's The Blue Bird in a real theatre. Lots and lots of rote learning early on, that was hard work, but the DC just adored putting on the play, sing and perform (some of the talented DC did instrumental solos, gymnastics etc woven in) in front of the parents.

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2014 11:15

Anita and Me is 1996, Never Let Me Go is 2005.

BitOutOfPractice · 28/05/2014 11:17

Bonsoir that's a slightly different situation to the one that I described and, I suspect Gove has in mind.

He is doing similar things to the History curriculum.

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 11:18

Given it's a French school the poets are all French - Victor Hugo, Jacques Prévert...

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 11:20

Again, my DD at a French school has to learn history by heart - this week she had an A4 page about Henri IV, the Edict of Nantes etc and they get a test on dates etc every week.

BitOutOfPractice · 28/05/2014 11:23

I should have guessed that by your name shouldn't I Bonsoir? Grin

mrz · 28/05/2014 11:27

TheOriginalSteamingNit did you see Mr Gove's view on Scottish ed? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10107565/Michael-Gove-Scottish-schoolchildren-risk-falling-behind-English-pupils.html

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Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 11:37
Grin

I don't think Gove is wrong to want to get back to some traditional teaching practices - IMVHO they have a lot going for them.

TeacakeEater · 28/05/2014 11:44

There were Scottish numeracy results published last month showing decreases in attainment.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/05/2014 11:52

mrz When I mentioned the 'Scotland is much, much better than England', it was more a response to the consistent 'France is much, much better than England' feel of the thread at that point!

mrz · 28/05/2014 12:00

Sorry TheOriginalSteamingNit I wasn't commenting on Scottish education just throwing something into the mix.

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mrz · 28/05/2014 12:04

blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/05/07/france-school/

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TeacakeEater · 28/05/2014 12:04

It will be an interesting comparison to make in the years to come.

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 12:30

TOSN - I have stated in more than one post that I am not defending the French position. Do I have to repeat it in every post for you to take heed?

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 12:45

mrz - my hypothesis for an explanation of the very poor literacy outcomes of the disadvantaged in French schools is that early literacy teaching is poor, disjointed and far too rapid: DC are taught to write (penmanship) in the second half of grande section de maternelle (Y1), to read (to decode) in CP (Y2) and to spell in CE1 (Y3). Very little reading of whole books goes on at school - hearing children read aloud and encouraging them to read silently is left to parents (or no-one). The teaching materials for early literacy are very backwards compared to the UK - both those available to schools and those available to parents.

Children from French speaking literate homes have the gaps plugged by parents, consciously or unconsciously. Children from non-French speaking and/or less literate homes accumulate weaknesses over the years - poor vocabulary, non-existent reading stamina, poor reading comprehension etc. These weaknesses don't show up hugely at the end of primary because the expected standard is low (ie the best pupils are unable to demonstrate just how much further ahead they are than the worst performing pupils) but the visible measurable gap is huge by the end of collège (Y10).

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/05/2014 13:10

Steady on Bonsoir, and while you're at it don't speak to me like an errant 7 year old, if you wouldn't mind awfully! 'Take heed' indeed! Grin

You do have a notable tendency to criticise education in the UK and to hold up various instances of what you suggest are instances of much, much better practice in France, that is all. The eminent superiority of all things French was especially prevalent at that point - but it was a silly flippant post: sorry.

Bonsoir · 28/05/2014 13:13

Making comparisons or giving anecdotes for the sake of debate is not the same as defending a position and I am often greatly pro English educational practice. If you choose to pigeonhole me incorrectly be prepared for me to chide you.