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Gove kills the mockingbird with ban on US classic novels ...what do you think?

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mrz · 25/05/2014 09:34

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/article1414764.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_05_24

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SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 25/05/2014 09:52

Viva you make excellent points.

mrz · 25/05/2014 09:53

Sunday Times report

Gove kills the mockingbird with ban on US classic novels ...what do you think?
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StealthPolarBear · 25/05/2014 09:54

"SagaNorensLeatherTrousers Sun 25-May-14 09:47:40

He seems to be the Kim Jong-Il of Education."

I'd have laughed but I was too busy nodding.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 25/05/2014 09:54

Jeremy Hunt DOES support homeopathy on the NHS so give it time.

CalamitouslyWrong · 25/05/2014 09:55

Did you miss the context of race in the American South during the 1930s in to kill a mocking bird? Or that he is convicted for it, and then killed? It's not quite as simple as 'perpetuating rape myths'.

LaurieFairyCake · 25/05/2014 09:56

Actually I think it is the teachers responsibility and the students to put the rape allegations in context weatherall

The woman is dealt with very sensitively on the stand by Atticus and people are left in no doubt that her father assaulted her in the events shown outside the courtroom

Patilla · 25/05/2014 09:56

I'm shocked by this.

To Kill a Mockingbird is my favourite novel having studied it for GCSE. I will always remember the impact on me when you see the story through Boo Radley's eyes.

It's so incredibly thought provoking and inspirational and there are so many times that I catch myself looking for another "Mockingbird" to touch my emotions in the same way, when looking for a book to read.

It taught me how good a book can be, how it can touch your heart and change the way you think.

It's absence in the classroom will mean that we are all the poorer, and in a time when tolerance of those who are different is a very live topic in our society.

starlight1234 · 25/05/2014 09:57

Has he done anything positive at all?

I remember doing of mice and men in my GCE ( yes I am old) I was an absolute nightmare of a pupil but loved this book.

I really don't understand why grove has any say in this? It is the teachers who knows how to motivate children. The love of the written word is so important at this stage of their life..

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 25/05/2014 09:58

weatherall don't be ridiculous. So Shakespeare is perpetuating that teens who fall in love should commit suicide, then. What about that message? Don't even get me started on the Bible!

TyrannosaurusBex · 25/05/2014 09:59

To Kill a Mockingbird has a compassionate and deeply moral main character who stands up for the underdog (even to the point of risking his life), believes in equality and has sympathy for the poor. I can see why that wouldn't appeal to Gove.

Perhaps the new selections will feature characters who 'know their place' and never challenge authority.

CharlesRyder · 25/05/2014 09:59

How can we get rid of this man before he alienates a whole generation from education?

saintlyjimjams · 25/05/2014 10:02

I also don't understand why he gets to make these sorts of curriculum decisions. He's a politician, not an educator, why does he get to choose?

VivaLeBeaver · 25/05/2014 10:02

I feel so sorry for my Yr 8 dd.

Gove is the reason I'll vote labour at the next election.

moobaloo · 25/05/2014 10:07

Yy tyrannosaurusbex!

What an utter twat.

Why should British children learn only works from British authors? Surely as multicultural as Britain is now we should encourage even more variety!

Weird.

Merrylegs · 25/05/2014 10:08

I did Virginia Woolf, Dickens and Shakespeare for O level (also old).

As a grumpy disaffected teenager I would have loved a more 'other world' choice. At least TKAMB and OMAM offer a different scene.

I think GCSE lit should be much more global -to reflect the world we live in now. Would love to see some Murakami in there or the poetry of Kei Miller.

ByTheSea · 25/05/2014 10:13

I am shaking with fury at Gove!

MrsMaturin · 25/05/2014 10:13

Weatherall have you actually read the book? Hmm

Quite clear why Gove doesn't like TKAMB - too liberal for him isn't it. Twat.

thecatfromjapan · 25/05/2014 10:21

In short: I'm hoping they're not going to be in for much longer. So get out there and vote, people.

On another, related, issue, though:

I find some of the choices on the GCSE quite strange, actually. This is probably at a tangent. But I know there are going to be a lot of teachers on this thread, so I'm going to throw it out there:

My son has just studied this. I found it all a bit odd. The questions he was given on the book were all about its "style", "language" and "aesthetics" - which I found bloody strange.

Sure, it's a lovely read. The author has a lovely style.

But isn't the real reason everyone reads it because of the content? because of the contest: America's troubled history with race -- which is ongoing?

Freakishly, there appeared to be no questions at all about this!!!!

Why? I'm guessing it was because we feel hesitant about teaching children - in schools - about this; and because we assume that many children just don't have the historical knowledge, the political knowledge of the present situation; the ethical finesse to discuss this issue with clarity. And some of the "answers" might be awkward and tricky to mark.

So it is ignored. Which is a bizarre kind of whitewashing, frankly - with the aesthetics serving to render invisible the actual content of the text. Ironically, I think this is a complex manouevre which actually serves to diminish the book overall. The aesthetics are discussed as a kind of proxy, which implies that the content is not actually discussable in an exam context (why not? These children are, by and large, of voting age), and the aesthetics are not actually a substantial and important aspect of the book.

There are better examples of "beautiful writing". There are more stylistically rewarding and structurally complex novels.

i find the way "To Kill a Mockingbird" is enclosed within the GCSE really strange.

All of us on this thread think "Oh yes, my child is learning about how awful it is to be structurally racist. That's great. Nasty Mr. Gove stopping children learning about how horrid racists are." Well, before we all indulge in a love-in, may I just say that it infuriates me that "To Kill a Mockingbird" isn't taught in the context of America continuing to have an enormously high prison population, which is predominantly black; is still a country with a massive wealth differential; still has a huge problem with race.

If we want books on the syllabus about America and race, why not Langston Hughes, James Baldwin, Toni Morrison? Why not Malcolm X, even?

I like "To Kill a Mockingbird" well enough but it's chosen as a safe choice, and the questions set on it are pretty safe. I'm quite sure that if someone were to write an essay on "To Kill a Mockingbird" at university, it would be looking at its inclusion within the American literary pantheon, and its use on the syllabus, and looking at the context. So I guess I can't see why this hasn't filtered into the GCSE or A level approach yet.

thecatfromjapan · 25/05/2014 10:23

(I'm hoping someone will answer this. It's been bugging me.)

CalamitouslyWrong · 25/05/2014 10:24

When I was at school, it was all about style and aesthetics in English lit too. All the questions on any text boiled down to 'tell me about how the way the text was written made you feel'.

StealthPolarBear · 25/05/2014 10:25

cat I am not a teacher or in any way qualified to answer, but surely that would need to be taught in another lesson - history for example? The questions should relate to English literature.
That said there should be crossover and subject shouldn't be bound as I suggest - but maybe the exams are?

thecatfromjapan · 25/05/2014 10:27

You see, I say all that about "To Kill a Mockingbird" but it is great that the children do, actually, get to read it.

Maybe that's, actually, enough?

weatherall · 25/05/2014 10:28

Yes I've read it. I studied it in detail for my extended report for higher English.

We were taught it in class.

At no point was the rape myth issue discussed.

The consideration that Atticus shows Mayella further reinforces the point - that women can have "good reasons" for false allegations. This is a very dangerous illustration. Juries often won't believe rape victims because they think that she is making a false allegation, perhaps for a "good reason" but they still fail to convict.

PaulinesPen · 25/05/2014 10:28

Blimey what next? Gove doesn't like a certain painting therefore it won't be mentioned in art. Gove's sandcastle got kicked over on a beach in Cornwall when he was 8 so nobody mention the south west coast of England in Geography. Gove doesn't like bread rolls so no-one can make any in cookery...Confused

DearDinah · 25/05/2014 10:32

I'm not a teacher but TKAM is my favourite book, I've read it and re read it & recommend it to who I can, I wouldn't have even known about it had I not been taught it in school, to take this away from students is absurd. Reading is power!!

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