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Gower school islington

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BeenieBaby · 25/08/2013 09:48

Anyone have any experience of this school? We're keen on a Montessori education, but this school seems to have a bad rep, we weren't sure why... Anyone know firsthand what it's like?

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3ToldbyanidIiot9 · 13/03/2014 08:38

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playfortoday · 13/03/2014 09:32

Why do you all put up with this? Islington is stuffed with good or outstanding primaries all of wh have places post the reception rush. All of whom have PTAs, parent governors, channels for feedback and communication, stable staff etc etc.
I think you'd be amazed how nurturing and individualised state education can be. And it's free...

Mercymee · 13/03/2014 10:17

Good point. And state primaries in Islington are very good. Have to admit it weighs heavily on my mind wether or not we should move the children. Not an easy choice though uprooting children who, in my case, are surrounded by close friends they've been together with since nursery. Especially if your children seem to be thriving despite all the problems brewing under the surface. I suppose for each parent it's a personal decision.

As well as a PTA it sounds to me like there are a few teachers out there who could really use some legal advice and representation.

summerday76 · 13/03/2014 11:00

My child is at the Gower School and whilst we have been quite happy there during the years our dissatisfaction have constantly increased. We are at the point where we are seriously considering to move out if parents' concerns and staff's issues are not addressed satisfactorily.
The staff turnover is concerning and shows unhappiness amongst the teachers whom are very much appreciated and supported by the parents.
Eventually the head teacher has to realise that without a proper board and PTA the school will be less competitive compared to similar schools with a more democratic participation. Less parents will mean less money.
So maybe she should think about it?

SDT85 · 13/03/2014 11:30

Best of luck to you Mercymee, I know change can be very difficultbut it never hurts to look around, even if you decide to stay. My DC settled into the new school on Day 1 and it has been an upward trajectory ever since. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IS BETTER. I am not surprised that TGS is strongly opposed to a PTA. The Head definitely does not like her business practices challenged. My last conversation with the Head was particularly unpleasantshe even made a nasty parting shot about DC. So unprofessional it makes me cringe when I think about it.

louderthanalion · 13/03/2014 11:40

Hello. Another TGS parent here contributing to the discussion. I have been following this thread with interest and some worry, as it has evolved and taken on a life of its own since the original post seeking feedback about the School.

I completely agree with silverandgold about the pros and cons.

I read a comment on one of these threads along the lines that no-one gets particularly enthused about the Gower.

I dont actually think thats correct. I think the School has some very lovely features. Top of the list for us is that it is a very happy place for our child. It provides a very safe, nurturing environment to which a lot of thought has been given in order to make it child-centred, to give one example the adapted kitchen so that the children can be involved in their own food preparation.

The children are encouraged to be independent, to take responsibility for themselves and their environment. Peer relationships seem very good and the children are very supportive of their peers. There are good leadership opportunities for the children, for example everyone gets a turn at being a House Captain. The older children are buddied up with the younger ones. The year groups mix, particularly during the extended day and holiday provision, which is very good and was a real selling point for us. There is a strong emphasis on oral language and public speaking skills, with even the youngest children doing a presentation to their class. When they are older, you are invited to attend and it is lovely to see the interest with which the other children listen and ask questions and give feedback. There are other speaking opportunities such as poetry recitals and an active theatre club. We have seen our childs confidence grow a lot here.

The staff are lovely and warm, and our childs key teacher has regularly gone that extra mile. The children have lots of opportunities for enrichment with trips and concerts and people coming in to speak.

The Montessori approach means that the children get exposed to a very broad curriculum and have the opportunity to follow their interests and develop their basic skills by doing something that is interesting for them. Developing independent research skills is encouraged from an early age. We have been delighted to see our child making a very natural transition to becoming an independent worker following this learning style.

But and it is a big but it has become clear that there are some very real underlying issues. I really do hope that the Principal can turn things around and I am sure that the great majority of the parents will give her every support. The School seems able to recruit some absolutely excellent teachers but is then unable to keep them. The current high staff turnover, as many have said, is not feasible. Whether it is terms and conditions and / or an environment or atmosphere that grinds staff down, things clearly need to change. It is not a good thought that the staff teaching your child may be miserable in their job and, however happy the children appear to be on the surface, it must have an impact on their well-being and learning at some point. It certainly has an impact on the state of mind of parents!

There also seems to be a one way traffic of children out as you go through the school, although this may be contributed to by moves out of London and is something of a fact of life in a school a few minutes from Kings Cross. However, it has the effect that some of the year groups are getting very small, even lower down the School.

There are other things, more niggles e.g. the terms are action-packed but short one full month off at Christmas and pretty much another at Easter, as well as the long summer break and usual half-terms.

The governance arrangements, as discussed extensively above, means that there is no forum for discussing parental concerns of this nature. Gower is a proprietor-owned and run school. The Principal definitely has a very clear vision for the School and good ideas to improve the facilities and curriculum year on year (the Gower is still quite a new school). This of course is good. However, I do agree with the comments above about the lack of facility for the parent voice to be heard, especially when there are underlying concerns. The continuance of this thread seems a manifestation of that. You do sometimes get the impression that any questions from parents are viewed as an annoyance or potential interference to the good running of the School; however, if the school management read this I hope that they will reflect on the comments by parents that they just want to support what the School does very well. Surely that is better than, as has been said, parents deciding to look at other options and voting with their feet - as people clearly seem to be thinking about doing.

The current situation is clearly unhappy, particularly in a School where parents are asked to contribute much not only financially, as has been said, but by supporting the Montessori way of learning in practical life at home, which all takes effort and time. Even school reports seem invariably to be sent out on the last day of term or after term has finished, so any opportunity to discuss the contents has to wait.

Concluding, however, I would like to say that, despite these issues, the Gower has to date been a very happy place for our child and we are very grateful for the nurture and care the School and its staff have put in.

SDT85 · 13/03/2014 11:43

summerday76 TGS has had PLENTY of time to embrace and implement those very basic concepts of parent and board involvement. Eventually the Head will probably pay lip service to it (not because she wants to but because she has to). In the meantime however, the clock is ticking and your DC are paying the price, while the Head is profiting from it.

summerday76 · 13/03/2014 12:04

SDT85 I agree completely with you and it is sad that she may consider this just to pay lip service. Having said that, I am not even sure that she will do it as every time parents have tried to involve her on a collective level she has refused to do it.
I just would like to make up my mind by the beginning of the summer term, as we need to give her notice one term in advance (again a condition that I consider unfair...) and I am not willing to pay the notice if DC is not there.

SDT85 · 13/03/2014 13:36

Summerday76 - have you visited at other schools? If not, you'll probably want to schedule a taster morning before the Easter Break and consider your options. You have everything to gain by reviewing all your many choices.

IMO, secondary schools do not view Montessori primary school education favourably. Okay for nursery, but not beyond that. Having TGS on your child's application to secondary schools may very likely prove to be a liability and close off some doors.

If you do decide to leave, be prepared for EG snide, catty remarks and make sure you get all your stuff back (books, puzzles).

frogs · 13/03/2014 13:59

I encountered TGS at a recent schools' event that dc from our primary school were also involved in. In the post-performance euphoria I noticed the kids from TGS were expected to politely shake the HT's hand and saying 'goodbye Miss G'. Meanwhile on our benches the staff and parents and dc were all hugging and congratulating and thanking each other and generally getting all emotional. The contrast was quite striking, and not in a good way. Obviously politeness is good, but warmth and genuine liking and appreciation much more important, I think.

Mercymee · 13/03/2014 14:27

LOL Frogs, it's true. The kids have to do this every morning when going into school and every afternoon when leaving. And at Christmas and End of Year Concerts the head shakes each person's hand (parents included) as they leave the building. Consequently it takes FOREVER to get out of there causing a huge blockade of people in a tight space. Have always found it overly formal and hilarious.

SDT85 · 13/03/2014 14:29

It makes me very sad to read your last comment frogs, but I believe your observation is correct. These are such precious years and they go by in a blink. I think EG is a very capable individual but personality wise would be better suited in another field--like politics.

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EcoRI · 13/03/2014 14:50

Or Mumsnet is taken down?
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SDT85 · 13/03/2014 15:07

Mercymee - is TGS still using that ploy: blindsiding parents with accusations that their DC has behavioural issues (e.g., Austistic Spectrum Disorder) and suggesting that the DC requires full-time support (all paid by the parent)?

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frogs · 13/03/2014 20:56

I find the phrases 'accused of' and 'behavioural problems' being used in close proximity quite disconcerting, and maybe quite telling. That is probably not unique to this school, perhaps not uncommon in some private schools?

FWIW one of my dc has had some behavioural and attention problems, though nothing serious enough to require one-to-one help or even a formal IEP, and the school's approach is to try and come up with strategies to help her maintain concentration and manage her emotions. And most of these strategies are actually helpful for all the dc, not just for ones who need extra support.

The suggestion that a child having difficulties might be a reason for being edged out would be enough to have me running for the hills, tbh.

SDT85 · 14/03/2014 09:03

I know of ONE instance where the above happened. Hopefully it was an isolated case, but it did happen one time too many (IMO).

3ToldbyanidIiot9 · 14/03/2014 09:11

any normal developmental issue of any sort may be too much for TGS...in my experience. Or any issue that needs debate or just attending to or discussing. Boys (older) appear not to be understood, or at least certain sorts of boys. Edged out is a very gentle way of putting it. In my experience, draconian and punitive measures are meted out, amongst others - a kind of hysteria abounds; the discrediting of a child (and parents O and teachers) in my opinion is unforgivable, shocking, heart-wrenching - are there any words to describe this? - and one would not expect anything of this nature to exist in any school, let alone a Montessori fee-paying school of this ilk. But there is no governance. One would hope for support, understanding, the desire to work together as a community, to love and honour our children as in the Montessori approach - as advertised on TGS website. (The teachers, generally, though a few bad eggs, are loving and gorgeous with the children and brilliant on many levels - I speak of a deep-seated, toxic problem that seeps from the walls, which is why it is so difficult to grasp).

Older children in general disappear from TGS - the school in my opinion fails to support, understand, nurture them - this, amongst other reasons, is why numbers dwindle, in my opinion. Older children have stronger opinions, understand their rights more concretely, comprehend injustice more acutely. They are less compliant. TGS gets annoyed (!) with non-compliant children and parents, in my experience. It's as if TGS wants to swat these irritating people, those people who know and value their rights and stand up for them. O and they do get swatted, but not all get squashed. Compliant children grow up to be unhappy adults. Any way - what about "child-led"?

TGS is a school brimful of contradictions, in my opinion.
Also what is written on the website often contradicts the reality, in my opinion. But with no voice, how can the parents object to this. The principle simply refuses to meet groups of parents - this is true. Parents are divided, segregated - their concerns diluted, dismissed.

TGS is much, much better for the younger years. All falls apart later, in my experience. The school itself has changed drastically; its been a slow drip drip, but especially since October 2013..

3ToldbyanidIiot9 · 14/03/2014 09:17

even so, younger years are affected by the atmosphere and some funny goings-on too.

summerday76 · 14/03/2014 11:03

@3ToldbyanidIiot9: I could not agree more.

Sometime it feels that the atmosphere amongst parents is of terror. It seems that certain people cannot and do not want upset the school management. In fear of retaliation!

Maria Montessori would certainly have an issue with that...

All this cannot be good for our children.

Ponkin · 14/03/2014 11:51

Wow, surely if there is a widespread strength of feeling, parents should have strength in numbers...if everyone got tgether and said they want input and change, the management would have to listen. There are at least 3 or 4 similar schools in the area that children could be moved to...lyceum, rosemary works, dallington, plus highgate and hampstead schools...maybe a mass protest would bring about change?

SDT85 · 14/03/2014 11:55

I agree with the comments above. TGS parents, please explore other options. There are MANY vastly superior schools where you have a voice!

SDT85 · 14/03/2014 12:00

If I had a DC there now I would make the move ASAP so that I could get a place at another school (before it disappears).

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