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Should teachers have to take tougher tests before they qualify?

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Solopower1 · 26/10/2012 11:53

What do you think? Smile

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20083249

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Ronaldo · 28/10/2012 17:27

RG universities are good publicists. Most of them have never been good universities. Take Exeter for example - once a plate glass uni - that is a third tier uni from the days when I was applying . One step above a poly back then and two above a teaching college. But those were the days.

mrz · 28/10/2012 17:31

It was you that raised RG requirements and it wasn't Exeter but a much much older university

Ronaldo · 28/10/2012 17:34

I said I had a student who applied to an RG university who was offered a 260 UCAS points get in last year. I said the same uni was offering AAB for its subject degrees. I cannot recall naming it. In fact I am sure I did not. I havent nam,ed any uni until the post just above when I mentioned Exeter as a plate glass university.

mrz · 28/10/2012 17:50

I didn't say you did name any university jabed.
I said the RG university the "bully" attended was much much older

Ronaldo · 28/10/2012 17:58

Sorry, I misunderstood you. The problem comes with so many threads within threads here. Time to stop I think.

Yellowtip · 28/10/2012 18:12

Wow you're just as uptight in your new persona ron :). Relax, I'm not bothered about trying to catch you out. I cant be expected to hang onto every nuance of your afflicted childhood tbf. I was just rather impressed by a middle-class mother in those days holding out against grammars - but I stand corrected.

Yellowtip · 28/10/2012 18:14

Was this bully a Durham lawyer then mrz?

Yellowtip · 28/10/2012 18:15

Sorry, stupid, Durham hasn't been RG until now. Forget that.

mrz · 28/10/2012 18:16

no yellowtip

Yellowtip · 28/10/2012 18:21

ron, re. your suggestion that bullies 'are most welcome' at grammars: bullies are everywhere; if they were capable of being excluded from grammars then why should the comprehensive system be expected to usher tham in. It's a ridiculous point. Bullies are part of life, sadly.

And when you were applying through UCCA (1976/7/8?) Exeter was in fact extremely competitive to get into; higher up the pecking order than it is now.

Ronaldo · 28/10/2012 18:34

yellowtip , I had graduated in 1976.

Brycie · 28/10/2012 20:37

"I suspect a lot of MN agree with you , I don't think many teachers would but many others would and do. "

Excuse me, I meant this sounds ambiguous, or just cleverly put. In reality I suppose it means "a lot of people who don't have much of a clue think you're right". Am I reading too much into it?

Brycie · 28/10/2012 20:39

Ronaldo yes Exeter was well regarded late 70s early eighties, then went down, now going back up. Are you getting muddled with the PE teaching college it is / was attached to.

Brycie · 28/10/2012 20:50

I like what Ronaldo says, I don't understand the problem with her popularity. Maybe because she says what a lot don't dare to? But I also agree with some of what Mrsz says too, lot of sense there. It's possible to be discerning. At least you are confident Ronaldo.

mrz · 28/10/2012 20:51

Ronaldo is a he

Brycie · 28/10/2012 20:53

Sorry I haven't been around htat long, I still assume everyone is a woman

Brycie · 28/10/2012 20:54

not in the world obviously

Arisbottle · 28/10/2012 21:39

Brycie I suspect that parents agree with Ronaldo because as parents we have to only consider our child and not the greater good . I suspect the children of MNers are perfectly behaved in class and therefore the very black and white view if kick out the disrupters is popular .

I suspect many MNers also share his horror at the working classes as well.

MordionAgenos · 28/10/2012 22:39

Ronaldo While I agree with your implied opinion that Exeter is a bit bobbins, it is not and never was a plate glass uni. It was established well before the Robbins report.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/10/2012 22:46

My child is, according to her teachers, well behaved in class. Though she does go to 'council school', so I suppose it's all relative.... The one boy who does disrupt things sometimes is annoying, but I do not think he should be booted out and left to rot either, much as that would be nice for her.

Brycie · 29/10/2012 02:10

Are you suggesting that anyone who wants to see disruptive children removed from class only wants to consider their own child? Or are you referring to Ronaldo's specific view that children can be removed form class and then he doesn't care what happens to them?

It's not suprising parents feel dismissed by teachers if their wish to have children taught without disruption is somehow thought to be precious.

YokoUhOh · 29/10/2012 03:00

I'm a teacher at a state school. No-one - but no-one - disrupts my lessons; they wouldn't dare. I did, however, go to private school (11-16). Quite a few of my lessons were disrupted and no learning took place.

Ronaldo · 29/10/2012 07:10

Brycie I suspect that parents agree with Ronaldo because as parents we have to only consider our child and not the greater good . I suspect the children of MNers are perfectly behaved in class and therefore the very black and white view if kick out the disrupters is popular

Excuse me if I butt in over your conversation a about me . Can I remind you I am a parent? Yes I do consider my own well behaved child in a class with a lot of disruptive pupils but I also consider all the other well behaved pupils in that class who really do need more consideration than they appear to get from a lot of teachers who are busy "considering" the disruptive ones, so much so that they seem to forget all the well behaved ones there.

I place the welfare and learning of the well behaved above that of the disruptive. That is the difference here.

Ronaldo · 29/10/2012 07:18

Ronaldo While I agree with your implied opinion that Exeter is a bit bobbins, it is not and never was a plate glass uni. It was established well before the Robbins report

Its not an ex poly if that is what you mean. It is though what we called "plate glass" in the 1960's. It together with Aston, Salford, Keele, Warwick, and a few others ( cant recall them all) were third tier universities in our eyes back then. When you applied -just like they apply to Russell today - we applied to Oxbridge first, Durham, York and Nottingham and the Red Bricks. London ( with the exception of the LSE and UCL) and then all comers. Then it was the newly established polytechnics and then it was teacher training colleges who still didnt do subject degrees back then. It was around 1978 before they went into the field of subject degrees.

I dont know how we got at that list ( being 16 back then) I just know that was the pecking order. I applied to cambridge so none of it was of interest to me I am afraid. I still have little interest in it.

Exeter seemed to come "on scene" when some Slone Rangers applied there
(including Royals) in the 19801990's? Strange how people who were not so around want to re write history for those of us who have lived it.

Ronaldo · 29/10/2012 07:23

I'm a teacher at a state school. No-one - but no-one - disrupts my lessons; they wouldn't dare. I did, however, go to private school (11-16). Quite a few of my lessons were disrupted and no learning took place

Good behaviour manager then?In a stateschool. Shame about the teaching.