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Who do I contact regard Home Educated child to raise concerns?

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Bemumsed · 28/06/2012 19:29

Hi,

Have umm and aaah over this for ages, but am really concerned about some children known to us who are being home educated.

They are simular ages to our children, yet do not appear to be making any progress educationally. I know one of the children who is similar age to my eldest child cannot read. Parents say it is because she is dyslexic, but I find that hard to believe as have people in my family/friends who are extremely dyslexic but they were able to read at this age, even if it was with some difficulties. Parent have done nothing to tackle the problem, citing lack of money to get child properly assessed.

Also parents don't appear to spend much time if any working with their children on their education.

Parents won't talk about it. I'm just very concerned for children in the family that their educational and social needs are not being met.

I know that legally parents are entitled to home educate, but is there any way that the education of these children can be looked into? I can't find any info on local council website that explain who I can contact even if they turn round and say there is nothing they can do about it. Would like to know that at least I've tried.

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fedup2012 · 01/07/2012 01:53

Yes, it was a similar talk that made me extremely wary of foraging, plants can look very similar but have very different toxic elements.

Picking blackberries is another matter though.

arliasnext · 01/07/2012 11:41

Raven

^"Why wouldn't fedup2012's dc have been able to do the things she describes 'independently'? What's so very desirable about one-to-one as opposed to group learning when you're digging a veg patch or doing carpentry?

The 'independence' comes in at the risk supervision level, ie: there's probably no harm in a child practising their weaving independently but you'd presumably want to keep an eye on them when caving. I don't see how that becomes different for a HE child."^

I'm going to hazard a guess that a child who was taught, as part of a group, how to make a bird table, would probably not be able to repeat that themselves independently id required to recall knowledge from memory.

In fact, it's more than a guess, actually. I've seen it in so many aspects of my own child's approach to things. When asked to repeat what she learned in school, she's hesitant and unsure of herself. Given time with an adult to ask questions, have the process repeated for her and her worries reassured, she can easily do it alone. And that's the difference between school and HE.

When you have that one adult to give you all of their attention, it stands to reason that you'll learn more, doesn't it? And I don't blame teachers for this, they have no control over class size. In fact, my daughter's old teacher would regularly despair that she couldn't give more time to each child individually.

"Thanks CecilyP for clarification re: functional literacy. 3.8% seems much more realistic!"

I take it you didn't read the report, then? Shrugs.

Fedup2012

I'm glad you mentioned blackberries, actually, because I was going to. Once you have these plants stored as an image in your mind, they're just as easy to recognise. Once upon a time, you didn't know what a blackberry looked like. Didn't stop your parents from showing you, though, did it? There are limits to the foraging knowledge I will share with my children. For instance, I'm far from competent when it comes to identifying funghi, and therefore I wouldn't go looking for them. I want my children to be aware that free food grows all around them. That doesn't mean I'm stupid and put them at risk.

ravenAK · 01/07/2012 21:11

'I'm going to hazard a guess that a child who was taught, as part of a group, how to make a bird table, would probably not be able to repeat that themselves independently id required to recall knowledge from memory. '

I wouldn't remember it if I had one-to-one from Grinling Gibbons! Grin

I imagine my DT colleagues would say that students are taught the skills they need, & how to follow a blueprint (obviously for that, you'd need a degree of literacy & numeracy). So they probably wouldn't perfectly recall every stage in the process, but they'd be able to build another birdtable independently from written instructions, or indeed, build a picnic bench instead.

Absolutely agree that there are circumstances where one-to-one teaching is brilliant; in fact I'm setting some intervention up for some of our year 7s this week, &, based on previous years' experience, I expect them to do months of catching up in a few sessions. It'd be great if we had the time & funding to do loads more of it...

Tbh, I've yet to see an argument for HE that convinces me that I'd ever want it to be 'instead of' school in my children's lives, rather than 'as well as' - my eldest & I go on historical activity weekends & he's beginning Latin with me, neither of which feature on his primary curriculum, but those are holiday & weekend things for us.

I'm glad you & your child have found it works for you, though Smile.

Saracen · 02/07/2012 01:48

The reading thing is a complete non-issue at the moment. It isn't very unusual for an autonomously educated eight-year-old to be unable to read, nor is it at all worrying. Peter Gray suggests that outside of a school environment, the age at which a child learns to read really doesn't matter. His article is based on anecdotes but still may be interesting to those who are unfamiliar with autonomous education. Unlike school-educated children who learn to read later than their peers, home educated children don't have to miss out on learning because reading doesn't have to be the principle method of education. Moreover, they aren't being compared to their age peers on a daily basis or being made to attempt something they may not be ready to do yet. This means their self-esteem doesn't suffer and they don't come to believe they are "too thick" to learn to read - they just think that they haven't learned to read yet but that they will later.

Raven, I was also a fluent reader from a very early age and found it hard to accept that my children were not keen on reading in their early years. It seemed to me that they would be missing out on that rich world I love. But I don't think that anymore. They have been able to hear a great many stories by listening to audiobooks or being read to. Jim Trelease obseves that most children's listening comprehension is very far ahead of their reading comprehension. By reading to them and talking to them, rather than expecting them to access information and stories primarily by reading for themselves, we give them access to much more sophisticated and thought-provoking material than they otherwise might get. (Perhaps children like you and me who were extremely good readers from a young age are an exception to this rule, but I am sure Trelease's theory applies to most children.) He recommends reading to children right through their teens.

My older child only became a fluent reader at nine and has had her nose stuck in a book ever since. The younger one is six and has no interest in reading yet. In watching my children spend a substantial proportion of their childhood as non-readers, I have been surprised to notice that this actually had some benefits for them. I've reached the following conclusions by comparing myself to both of them when they couldn't read, and noticing changes in my older dd since she learned to read.

Nonreaders are good observers. My knowledge of the world is more secondhand. I read about things and think about them in an abstract way; nonreaders watch and listen. I am nervous in an unfamiliar area without a map; my younger daughter cannot use a map so she looks at her surroundings and can retrace her steps.

Nonreaders have time for active and creative pursuits. In the same way that many people automatically switch on the TV the moment they are slightly bored, I reach for a book, and so now does my older dd. She used to listen while drawing or doing gymnastics. Now she just sits and reads. She gets less exercise and doesn't do as many new things. Like anything else, an interest in books takes us away from other things we might be experiencing.

Nonreaders are engaged with the world and people around them. When I'm in a supermarket queue, or waiting at the dentist, or hanging around at my children's sports sessions, I very often have my nose in a book. I was even attacked at a bus stop once when I was so absorbed in my book I was completely oblivious to someone coming up behind me. As nonreaders, my kids talk(ed) to people more.

Nonreaders have good memories. They have to rely on memory much more. My older daughter used to know hundreds of poems and was able to learn songs very quickly. Since she learned to read, she knows she can look things up and she doesn't focus much on remembering what she hears. Since she moved into a choir which emphasises the use of musical scores, she takes longer to learn new songs. Some excellent musicians say that learning to read music interferes with musical development: it's very hard to look and listen at the same time, and they say that children often seem to lose their "ear for music" to a certain extent when they start reading music regularly.

It's undoubtedly challenging for an adult to be a nonreader in our society. But for a child of eight who doesn't go to school, being a nonreader is not a problem and even has some benefits.

Cuddler · 02/07/2012 11:17

There are lots of different types of home education.One of the pros of home ed is that your child learns to do things like read and write in their own time.Just because school children can do something it doesnt mean a HE child should be able to.If they are unschooling then they will letting the kids learn to read and write naturally,so not doing any written work like you do at school.Unless you have concerns about the childrens welfare (like child abuse) then you have no right to report them tbh.

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