attacked by teacher at college.

[Tortington]

now it sounds more horendous than the whole thing actually is - although i feel its horrendous.

boy goes to college (15yrold)one day a week. was washing out a tin that had been holding paint. the tin had a small amount of paint at the bottom.

teacher got son by scruff of front of t-shirt and had him up against the wall shouting " you takin the piss?"

lad said all the kids behing teach were laughing so he burst out laughing. lad said he wanted to hit him back. am i toldlad hes a good lad for not doing so.

lad has a college co-ordinator called Jenny. lad told jenny who is going to "sort it out"

now wouldn't you think this would be the first thing to greet me as i walked through the door.

i was home over an hour when i was told and i was told in a "guess what happened to me today" kind of way.

anyway - going to phone the college tomorrow. am sure there is a fuller story than this - come to think of it i'm the only one who seems appaulled by it.

on exclaiming my disbelief my youngest son slowly shook his head and said " oh dear they haven't met Northern parents yet!" i had to laugh.

i hate the thought that these kids are being treated like secod class citizens becuase they obviously on the "teach 'em some employment skills quick before they turn into complete dossers" course ( technical course name that!)

my son has an apprenticeship lined up and has done me proud around the whole working area actually - but the whole thing has pissed me off.

thoughts?

and BTW - i shit you not - i don't make this up!

That sounds awful! Was there any build up? or did it just happen out of the blue?

And good lad for not getting angry.

sounds like it just happened - i did the stern - "dont give me any shit , becuase i will find out" routine and he swears he was washing out a tin that has some paint in it and it all blew up.

i can tell when hes lying - i win money at poker that way. am sure its not as simple as that - there may be more to the story but he told it like that. he had an air of disbelief himself

It just seems so bloody odd! I'm not doubting your ds...why should I? but this just seems to be such a strange thing for a teacher to do (or anyone else for that matter)

Not an excuse for this behaviour but had he been told not to wash out the tin? I'm flabergasted tbh. I've never touched a kid in my life....none of my mates have either its a BIG nono

I think it sounds awful too and like hmb thought that physical contact with of any sort (touching, hitting, pinning against walls) was very much a 'nono'. Maybe it's some 'old-school' @rse-ho$e who thinks that behaving like this is preparing kids for the 'big bad world of work'
All I can say is I think that you're quite right to be appalled and well done to your ds for showing such self-constraint.
Hope Jenny or you get it sorted out.

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What happened to day custy?

I've been worried about your ds is he OK, did you get any more info?

ophoned college today and got told that the support teacher didn't know the protocol in these situations and "would look into it"

kept thinking - the other way round and the police would have been involved immediatley - yet i dont want this man to lose any wife/kids/house with mortgage he has.

so after being resoundly phobbed off by college i phoned school. the liaison teacher has always been a super dooper star and shes going to organise a meeting with college liaison person, herself, teacher involved, my son and us two parents. so there is going to be something happening. thats a good thing.

sadly custry a student assaulting a teacher doesn't get to police in either. For some mad reason it isn't taken as seriously as if it had happened out on the street (just like with your ds)

I'm glad the school liason teacher is good and very much hope that this all gets sorted out asap.

I'm still flabbergasted! I have never seen a teacher put a hand on a child expect to restrain the child if they were fighting....and even them most of us will try to sepatrate the kids without resorting to touching the kids.

I'm horrified at what you have said.

Missed this custy. Ds2 is going to college one day a week too, so I'm interested in the outcome.

I would hope that physical contact like that was a no no whatever the age. You wouldn't do it to someone at work would you? It's not on.

sounds like it will be best to go thru his school custy. after all, it is they who set up the programme with the college and need to be involved in this sort of thing as other boys will be going thru the programme now and in the future.

with college, a lot of the lecturers these days are brought in from industry too. a good thing I believe but then they may not have had any or very little previous teaching experience. teaching teens still in school is an entirely different kettle of fish than teaching people who can be fired. my dh is a great teacher for adults but would probably be done for gbh if he is ever let loose around teen age boys!

custardo I wish I had your temperament, coz I would of kicked his hairy builders arse all over the place.
I hope it does not get whitewashed by the college, I understand you dont want him to lose his job, etc but at least a verbal caution or otherwise this thug will think he can do it again.Hope everything goes well for you.

exactly alux - agree with you entirely was talking about this with some people today and do realised that hes not a teacher teacher hes an ex tradesman.

plus my dh deals with "youth" a lot in his job and he did actually say that there are a lot of times where he would have loved to have some of them by the scruff - but its not worth it.

so am trying hard to keep a balanced view.

school liaison teacher did say no matter the surrounding circumstances it really wasn't the right thing to do
which is right

however a class of 15 year olds is really my nighmare job.!

Custy, there are some kids that I teach that I could have cheerfully knocked into the middle of next week! But you never would, just never.

It does sound as if this bloke might think you can be the same in a classroom as in the work place (not that it would be suitable in work but you know what I mean).

I also think that you are being very patient about this and hope it is all sorted out soon.

aww thanks HMB

'your nightmare job' perhaps custardo BUT this man shouldn't be there if he's belting his pupils. He has 'chosen' to do this- if he can't handle them then he shouldn't have one into it/should leave the profession. Ex tradesman or not there is NO excuse for hitting a pupil. Restraint-yes, but hitting no

Agree 100%

your right.

have been contacted by college and the meeting will consist of my & dh and the vice priniple of the college.

not really sure what our rights are. am sure that the college will want to back its staff member all the way

any advice?

Custardo, not advice but just wanted to say how shocked I am!

I think I'd be pretty honest and say what you've said here 'I don't want the bloke to lose his job/house whatver, but really the way he behaved was way out of order'!

Good luck

Any news custardo?

Have you had the meeting yet Custy?

If not, I would calmly ask tell the V-P that your son has come home with some disturbing news and then say what your son told you.

Then ask for an explanation.

Then it depends on what their response is, but I would take the meeting as an information-gathering exercise where you basically understand what their postion is.(They may deny it or apologise or anything in between).

Then I would say thank you for seeing us, we will be responding in the enar future.

Then get out of there and decide at home what to do, whether tp accept their postion or follow it up with a letter of complaint, etc

Best of luck with this, custy - what a nightmare.

thanks everyone,
basically the college liasion woman told me the vp wanted to speak to me and to phone her secretary, which i thought was a bit of a piss take as they should be crawling up my arse - nay falling over backwards with tongue out panting to climb inside my bottom.
anyway am fairly laid back so said ok. rang thurs - no answer
fri, no answer - so rang liason woman and left a message ( you could tell it was friday no - one was in)
" i have got no answer over two days and as you can appreciate i am getting a little anoyed and rather exasperated, i would appreciate it if you could get the vp or indeed her secretary to ring me"

so thats it. no phone call might ring and tell them i am appaulled at their shoddy response and am thinking of goignto the papers - see who crawls around my bottom hole then.

think ive been rather "considered" until now
somepeople just take the fkin piss

ahem!

maybe the vp reads mumsnet and has gone into hiding

I wouldn't bother phoning again, I'd put it all in writing.

Even if there is a "reasonable" explanation, the fact that they can't be arsed to contact you about such a serious complaint, is piss-poor.

yep, put in writing stating why you are writing and send it 'recorded' also request a response in writing.