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GCSE results are upon us

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Remotew · 23/08/2010 14:47

Anyone else suffering from the jitters? DD has been for a couple of days now and now me. Coping strategies welcome. Grin

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PosyPetrovaPauline · 26/08/2010 23:00

le queen - no coaching nor no tutors for my dc
they are not über bright either

LeQueen · 26/08/2010 23:02

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TidyBush · 26/08/2010 23:04

LeQueen of course not all children are equally intelligent but it was you who implied that only those who go to indie/selective schools (i.e. mostly middle class)will succeed academically when you wrote that:

"...comprehensive students ... will in all probability fail the entrance exam at the top universities. But a grammar/independent student ...will in all likelihood pass the university entrance exam.

You can't get away from the basic fact that some students are just always going to be more intelligent and more academic than other students."

PosyPetrovaPauline · 26/08/2010 23:08

the tsa that ds1 took was totally unseen. he ad no idea what to expect none at all

that is the same for all prospective students regardless of back ground

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PosyPetrovaPauline · 26/08/2010 23:11

sorry tsa at university interview that is

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PosyPetrovaPauline · 26/08/2010 23:15

well yes lequeen -in that rich are high performers
are often well educated themselves
can afford good schools
can afford to live by good schools
are focused on education
child inherits innate ability

we could argue nature vs nurture till the cows come home

Remotew · 26/08/2010 23:16

This has now become another private versus state thread. Not happy with all the knockers who have implied that our DC's results are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Thanks for all the advice and support and I am glad that the GCSE results hurdle is over with for me.

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TidyBush · 26/08/2010 23:22

This thread was started so that those of us whose DCs have received their GCSE results this week could offer each other some mutual support whilst waiting and to celebrate our own and each others DCs' achievements.

It's a shame that it ended up as the usual "exams are gettting easier - kids today are really as thick as pig shit" moan.

To everyone whose DCs get the grades they were hoping for - well done!!

For those whose DCs aren't there yet - good luck to them for the future.

PosyPetrovaPauline · 26/08/2010 23:27

its such a stress isn't it??
dd took 5 this year and 9 more (???) next year ughhhhhh

senua · 27/08/2010 08:32

"It sounds like Med School is virtually impossible to get into for state educated clever students, but I know DD will give it her all as it's all she wants to do, if not then she will have to rethink."

Balderdash. Our State comprehensive (although I'll admit that it is in LeafySuburbsLand) gets a handful of kids into medicine every year, even some to study at Oxbridge.

senua · 27/08/2010 08:36

But [Ofqual] told the TES: "If you asked me 'Is GCSE science good enough?' I think the answer would be 'No'."

"I think we have made some progress in toughening up the standards and reducing the disparities but we still have a bit to go."

[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11098767

linky]] for LeQueen

Remotew · 27/08/2010 10:14

I don't know which 'science' exams they are referring to in the link. There is the dual award, triple science etc.

Senua, I was feeling somewhat despondent last night and wondering even if A levels grades are tops in the right subjects, has DD done well enough in GCSE's to have a chance. Hopefully she has.

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Cortina · 27/08/2010 10:16

Two points I'd like to make. The first is about ability, since it's been raised again on this thread, a favourite subject of mine (Cortina dusts down her soapbox) :):

I believe that intelligence is learnable (to a degree) and that ability does not have a ceiling. I used to think like Le Queen and it held me back for half a lifetime. I am no mathematician so a good grade at GCSE or A'level is 'impossible', I am no athlete so the London Marathon could never be achieved. Now I see that with lots of work from me, and a good coach/teacher and the right environment, both are within my grasp. There's a whole raft of research out there to back this up: Prof Lauren Resnick at the Uni of Pittsburgh, Harvard's Prof David Perkins, Carol Dweck, Guy and Bill Claxton etc.

Back in ancient times, in 1938, we saw things differently. The Spens report was used to implement the Grammar and Secondary Modern 'divide':

Intellectual development appears to progress as if it were governed by a single central factor, usually known as 'general intelligence'..It's possible at a very early age to predict with accuracy the ultimate level of a child's intellectual powers'

I wish all our teachers believed in the concept of learnable intelligence. Reason being that their belief systems will entertain the possibility that most of their students are capable of doing very well in the classroom and outside. You have to discard the belief in fixed IQ and ability ceilings if you want people to be interested in learning how to learn. Effort is then a pleasurable stretch if it means you can and will get better with practice.

I am not saying there are not genetic differences in IQ, but the most important thing is that everyone has a wide envelope of variation around that 'base point' that depends on experience, encouragement and self-belief.

Intelligence isn't unitary it is the sum of all of your habits of mind. The habits of mind are many and various and most of them can be cultivated.

My second point is about whether the exams have got easier etc debate. My point is that now we seem to value different things as a society. We value the practical over the high brow, we no longer value 'knowledge for the sake of it' etc.

O'levels used to be either a pass or a fail. My Dad's 1956 English paper asked for various words to be put into a sentence to illustrate their meaning. I remember one was the word 'loquacious' which I as a 16 year old would have had no idea about (I believe the majority of adults today would have no idea either). Things have changed some would say this means things have 'dumbed' down, it depends what you value.

DustDustDust · 27/08/2010 11:56

Senua, I was feeling somewhat despondent last night and wondering even if A levels grades are tops in the right subjects, has DD done well enough in GCSE's to have a chance. Hopefully she has.

Don't worry, of course she has. Your DD has as good a chance as anyone!

O'levels used to be either a pass or a fail. My Dad's 1956 English paper asked for various words to be put into a sentence to illustrate their meaning. I remember one was the word 'loquacious' which I as a 16 year old would have had no idea about (I believe the majority of adults today would have no idea either). Things have changed some would say this means things have 'dumbed' down, it depends what you value.

Again, I would've probably found that easier than our analysis of different transactional writing, or whatever we did in this year's exam. I agree with you. The exam's aren't necessarily more difficult; it's simply that different kinds of things are tested. I also know what loquacious means. Grin

DustDustDust · 27/08/2010 11:57

Sorry, I means "exams" not "exam's". Blush

purplefish · 27/08/2010 12:00

As TidyBusy says, this was originally a thread congratulating our DC on their brilliant efforts! I too feel it's a shame it has turned into a 'ooh but they are so much easier these days' thread!

DS worked hard for his results, he attended a comprehensive school. He did pass the 11+ and got into one of the best grammar schools, but we moved. His school is one of the best comprehensive schools, but it is so because the teachers are brilliant. They take a real interest in the pupils and encourage them all the way.

DS has always been a bright boy, so I did expect good results. However a friend he went to primary school with was on a level with him and didn't get the A's I thought she would. She went to a school in our old town (not the one with the grammars) who doesn't get as good results. I truly think it is DS teachers attitudes towards the pupils which has made a huuuuge difference.

It does bug me when everyone goes on about how easy exams are now. I know, from reading the work DS has done, that I was never expected to produce essays and the like to as high a standard as he has been. I didn't do too terribly considering the stress I was under at the time!

Posy 'the rich are high performers' ??? Not neccesarily! Ds and another close friend took the 11+, they weren't tutored as either we couldn't afford it or felt that if they needed tutoring then perhaps they would struggle to pass. The ones who were tutored ie the richer ones, didn't pass!

I am very proud of DS, he has worked hard and has obtained the results he deserves Smile

OrmRenewed · 27/08/2010 12:08

Congratulations everyone!

Notyetamummy · 27/08/2010 15:34

Abouteve,

Just wanted to say that with the fantastic grades that your DD achieved, the fact that she has already organised work experience, obviously wants to study medicine and has a mum who is supportive she has a very good chance of getting in.

Sorry if my comments made it seem impossible.

It is very difficult but it sounds like your DD is well on her way!

(also I went to a state school and my parents did not have lots of money but I have found being 'normal' very useful when communicating with patients)

Remotew · 27/08/2010 21:43

Notyetamummy, it's OK you didn't put us off you have given us great advice that we really appreciate. Also appreciate Dust's input.

I have had a proper look at finance, (I'm not a great planner so have forced myself to look now) and have found out it's so much more do-able as a single parent family than I dreaded. The grants and bursaries, plus loans and tuition fees will add up to reasonable living expenses.

Have had a look at UKCAT and was horrified but hey it's not me that has to do them. Grin

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Notyetamummy · 27/08/2010 22:17

Don't worry,

I know that students are portrayed as being poor, but I'm sure that this is due to them spending lots of money on alcohol, which clinical med students don't really have time to do lol.

The loans and bursaries that you get, so long as your household income is low enough (I know it seems unusual but students whose parents have slightly higher incomes tend to be worse off in my opinion) are plenty. Me and my husband have been comfortable money-wise.

Make sure that she doesn't run out and buy all of the textbooks of the reading list as many are unnecessary and those that are can be bought second hand from the year above.

The debt is also not something to worry about. My husband is already paying his back and it is only a little that goes with his tax and is not really noticeable.

PosyPetrovaPauline · 28/08/2010 00:59

agree with senua
let's stop playing the state / underdog card

Remotew · 28/08/2010 12:36

Even when I start working full-time, she will still be entitled to maximum help. Which will be plenty for her to live on, latest fashion and getting drunk is low on her priorities, although she isn't a square.

It's great that a state educated pupil from a single parent home should be given the extra help to go to uni. [Smile]

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purplefish · 29/08/2010 16:35

That's brilliant abouteve!