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I think we’ve come to the end of our marriage. What do I do next?

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Superdupersquirrel · 31/05/2024 19:36

For the past few years, I’ve had a creeping sense that our almost 30 year relationship is coming to an end. The issue is my she says he’s very happy with the way things are when I express that I am not and I am pining for romance, hearts and flowers etc which is not realistic. What I actually want is conversation, some intimacy other than sex and for us to socialise together, not always apart. He has work, his sport and then he comes home and we watch TV. I talk at him, as he’s not interested in what I have to say most of the time. He’s not interested in holidays as he thinks that’s just people not being content with what they have. He doesn’t understand why me and my dd would want to go away more than once every couple of years. Even then he never really enjoys it. He does have a health condition which means his energy is limited and he says once work and sport is done there’s nothing left. He misunderstands my want for us to start socialising with friends and family again as being too needy and I should just do these things on my own. I think it’s very important to have your own interests, but staring down the barrel of sitting at home in relative silence is terrifying. I’ve said I can’t go on like this and he has said he’s perfectly happy so it’s up to me. And I guess that’s true, so I end the botch that breaks up the family I suppose.

he says I want him to change and tbh he’s absolutely right - I feel like we are so isolated from the world and the fun has just gone.

am I unrealistic? Is this what relationships are? I’ve been with him for so long, I’m not sure what to feel anymore. Leaving someone or beauties they are a bad person but that it feels like the light has gone out feels so shallow. And then there’s my dad, house, my wonderful dog etc.

i know I can’t do this for the rest of my life, it goes so fast but what do I do?

OP posts:
Mumbelina5150 · 08/10/2024 14:36

I can empathise with your situation because mine is very similar. Married almost 25 years, my husband literally only cares about his work and going to the gym, anything else is too much aggro for him. He never takes any time off from work and will only go on holiday for a weekend if I force him too and pay for it. Our youngest daughter has just left home for uni and I feel like this is my time to enjoy myself, not sit in night after night with a man who will not change and who’s idea of putting effort into a marriage is to work and pay the bills. I work too, he’s starting to suck all the joy out of my life, he’s happy to not to go out,while I love live music and dancing about, I won’t go to gigs with him any more because he ruins them for me.

Sixteenandfourteen789 · 08/10/2024 15:03

OldandTired66 · 01/06/2024 10:15

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. It took me a long time to realise quite how low in my DHs list of priorities I was and I'm now taking steps to leave (in my mid 60's). I've read hundreds of relationships posts and this phrase always comes back to me "I am there, but like a chair is there. Somewhat useful when you need a chair, but pushed to the corner most of the time.“ My marriage in a nutshell.

I have been married for thirty years and I am reasonably happy but it has taken a while to realise that a lot of men prioritise differently to women.

I saw it described on Mumsnet once that women see their primary relationship as their main course, whereas to men it is often the side dish!

Or as a pp has put it here, maybe it’s the table on which they put the dish 🤷‍♀️ 😃😫

Also, I think women are socialised to consider everyone else before they start a hobby or whatever, and the impact it will have on the family collectively, whereas men just go ahead and do it without reference to anyone!

Fortunately my dh and I have a few things in common which keep us together and we have both been willing to compromise to accommodate each other I suppose. We are still friends.

But even though I enjoy my own company,
I do feel lonely sometimes and a lack of connection, and I do find myself talking at him while he is trying to watch the football. So I really sympathise op!

I think that love is a verb and, outside of sex, if the highest level of activity you do together is passively watching tv or you are just ships passing in the night sharing the odd meal, then the positives of the relationship are not out-weighing the downsides.

Men are so strange aren’t they too? Because most never actually communicate directly. They just passively accept how things are until they suddenly leave - usually to go on to the next woman - whereas women are more willing to brave living alone and have more respect for, and take more responsibility for, the quality of their own lives I think.

Sorry no advice but I just wanted to say I hear you op 💐

Sixteenandfourteen789 · 08/10/2024 15:06

Superdupersquirrel · 05/10/2024 19:18

Thanks so much everyone for checking in - so I told him I felt it was coming to an end and outlined all the reasons I’d outlined here. He was devastated, very apologetic and said he felt that us as a couple and he as an individual may need some help. This was tbh the last thing I expected him to say! He said he wasn’t coping well with quite a traumatic family event that happened last year and had realised he’d pushed me and wider life away.

in the past, it’s often been the answer of ‘well all marriages have their ups and downs’ and I expected something as useless this time! But it was the exact opposite, it appeared to be the shock needed to address things he’d been hiding from. The process has been really healing and I am becoming far more confident to express my needs and do things I want to do alone and together.

However it was also very useful to express that life I too short to be unhappy so we agreed to go through this process over the next year then reflect on where we are and how we want to proceed. But so far so good.

what I would say to others that have said they feel like they are in a similar situation, if he had not agreed for us to work on things properly, I would have followed on the path to leave.

Wow I managed to miss this update op before posting just then op!

Congratulations for taking the bull by the horns. That is a great, honest response from your dh.

I hope it works out for you both 💐💐💐

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 08/10/2024 15:11

i like music, comedy, nature, travel (not even particularly exotic just getting out for the day to beautiful places), going out for dinner, socialising with friends. He doesn’t like any of these things and it’s unfair of me to expect him to.

Has he always been like this? If so, was it not a problem for the first 30 years? On the one hand, I can kind of see why he might think 'You've been ok with this for 30 years - why do you want me to change now?!' But on the other hand, you only have one life. Why spend the rest of it putting up with a boring relationship and a boring life?

PeachyKeane · 06/11/2024 07:58

@pootlefump how are you getting on? I'm in the same position but have pulled the plug. Husband has moved out, I'm terrified and exhilarated at the same time.

pootlefump · 09/11/2024 07:33

PeachyKeane · 06/11/2024 07:58

@pootlefump how are you getting on? I'm in the same position but have pulled the plug. Husband has moved out, I'm terrified and exhilarated at the same time.

Well done for doing it! I feel like I'm on the cusp but just wish I was 10/20 years younger. Scared and really noticing lack of friendships lately which makes me sad and scared.

PeachyKeane · 09/11/2024 09:30

I'm 54, but spent the last year or so really building up my social scene and friendship groups. I feel that life on my own is in fact going to be less lonely than being trapped in an unhappy relationship.

pootlefump · 10/11/2024 09:20

PeachyKeane · 09/11/2024 09:30

I'm 54, but spent the last year or so really building up my social scene and friendship groups. I feel that life on my own is in fact going to be less lonely than being trapped in an unhappy relationship.

I'm 51. This is what I need to do - build a good support structure. I have tried this last year and felt I was making good headway at the start of the year but as the year has gone on I don't feel it's working as well. I have made new friends relatively easily through a few groups I've joined in the last couple of years but I reflected recently that we're not necessarily a good match in terms of personalities. I have my old friends too but some of them I have contact with a couple of times a year (most of my older good friends live miles away as I moved about 20 years ago) and we've definitely drifted further apart over recent years. Family are even further away.

This is so important and I need to work on it more but I don't think the marriage decision can wait much longer as it's not fair on him or me Confused Starting some counselling this week, just me, I haven't told him yet. Hoping that might help a bit.

PeachyKeane · 10/11/2024 11:21

Took me several years to.lay the ground work tbh, and was lucky to have several large groups of school mum friends. Through them, there are several women going through similar issues in their marriages so I.was able to meet for a glass of wine and express how I.was feeling. That was the first step, vocalising my unhappiness, and as many of my friends were shared couple friends it was not possible to do so with them.

I've taken several years to get to this point. Am 55 v soon. Am taking no action wrt another man for now, just letting the dust settle, doing lots of yoga to calm myself (which has had the additional benefit of toning up my body and making me feel fit and strong).

I feel good, I feel the best I have felt for a long long time. The stress of living unhappily was making me comfort eat. I don't need to do that now so have lost weight.

Geraniumandorange · 10/11/2024 11:41

Peachykeane

I feel good, I feel the best I have felt for a long long time. The stress of living unhappily was making me comfort eat. I don't need to do that now so have lost weight.

Yes, I do this (comfort eat). However, I'm getting on top of it. Realised what I am doing and now turning it around. It is difficult. I use food as a comfort but not for past couple of months. It is very stressful living like this and can't go on but like you it is taking a while laying the foundations - sorting finances, social network, many things. De-cluttering the house in anticipation of a move further on down the line. Considering what my future life might look like (it doesn't look like this). At least I am being pro-active now. Two dependent dc at home and will be for a while so other things to factor in as well as no practical support in real life. I do feel like I'm taking more control of the situation but it's not happening in a hurry Peachysorry if you've answered this already but how long did it take you to actually leave and how old were your dc at that point - from thoughts of I've got to do this to doing it?

MounjaroUser · 10/11/2024 11:50

the one place I don’t feel myself is at home

This really struck me - it should be the yardstick by which you measure any progress, OP.

Let's hope he does pull himself together but don't be afraid of change if need be. What I wouldn't do is move to Cornwall with him, away from your friends and support network, as a way of plastering over the problems.

samanthablues · 10/11/2024 11:51

Oh lord, your husband sounds incredibly dull and depressing, he needs to find someone who is equally dull, depressing and non affectionate, someone who would love to spend her holidays watching the rain out of her window rather than in a Greek island.

Grim.

Geraniumandorange · 10/11/2024 11:57

the one place I don’t feel myself is at home

Yes, there is something in this. I don't feel relaxed in my own home anymore. Interest has gone from the care for it. Underlying tension is awful. Contentment would be (partly) for me to relax in my own home (as far as you can with all the chores etc.) and this is what I'm aiming for.

PeachyKeane · 10/11/2024 14:43

Geraniumandorange · 10/11/2024 11:57

the one place I don’t feel myself is at home

Yes, there is something in this. I don't feel relaxed in my own home anymore. Interest has gone from the care for it. Underlying tension is awful. Contentment would be (partly) for me to relax in my own home (as far as you can with all the chores etc.) and this is what I'm aiming for.

Yes, this too. Now it's my house I feel a renewed enthusiasm for it. Am decluttering, cleaning, have plans for it. Doesn't seem a chore now.

2 of my Kids are older, both settled in graduate training schemes, one has own house another plans to get one next year. I also have a 12 year old who will stay with me. Gradually we have done a lot including travelling without dh even before the separation as he was so moody he ruined all the fun. None of them seem surprised or bothered tbh, a lot of their friends parents have split up and don't think we were modelling a loving healthy relationship at all.

BigBoysDontCry · 10/11/2024 21:36

Speaking of renewed enthusiasm for the house. Ours was very neglected. I couldn't be bothered putting in any effort anymore when he wasn't. It was shard to get someone in to do stuff as he kept saying he'd so things and then didn't plus I was just embarrassed to have people in. I ended up with a very very long list of jobs to be done around the house when he left.

Just happy to say that despite there being a lot still to tick off on the list, progress has been made and I'm much happier in my environment. I've cleared the room of doom, had the loft floored and anything that wasn't straight up rubbish has been boxed up and stored and will be gone through. I've had the plumber in to sort out all the annoying things that needed fixed. I've had about 8 car loads of shit to the tip or donated/given away. Some of the stuff I have belongs to ex so he'll need to come and sort that out. DS1 and I have decorated the extra bedroom and DS has that as an office so he's chuffed and has worked hard helping me and also in clearing his room and having that separation of his sleeping from his computer has helped him too. We repainted the main living room this weekend and have hung some art i've had hanging about and it's warm and cosy and clean and comfy. I wallpapered for the first time in about 30 years as I wanted a funky downstairs loo and Ex didn't like wallpaper so that was very much a fuck you to him!

The house is just starting to get much more organised and clean

I'm hoping to engage the services of a semi retired painter to help with some of the other rooms just so it's not quite so daunting. the house is really too big but I'll need to keep it for now but at least when I come to sell it shouldn't be such a big project to get it ready.

We got this ladies! Reclaim your space!💪

PeachyKeane · 11/11/2024 11:26

BigBoysDontCry · 10/11/2024 21:36

Speaking of renewed enthusiasm for the house. Ours was very neglected. I couldn't be bothered putting in any effort anymore when he wasn't. It was shard to get someone in to do stuff as he kept saying he'd so things and then didn't plus I was just embarrassed to have people in. I ended up with a very very long list of jobs to be done around the house when he left.

Just happy to say that despite there being a lot still to tick off on the list, progress has been made and I'm much happier in my environment. I've cleared the room of doom, had the loft floored and anything that wasn't straight up rubbish has been boxed up and stored and will be gone through. I've had the plumber in to sort out all the annoying things that needed fixed. I've had about 8 car loads of shit to the tip or donated/given away. Some of the stuff I have belongs to ex so he'll need to come and sort that out. DS1 and I have decorated the extra bedroom and DS has that as an office so he's chuffed and has worked hard helping me and also in clearing his room and having that separation of his sleeping from his computer has helped him too. We repainted the main living room this weekend and have hung some art i've had hanging about and it's warm and cosy and clean and comfy. I wallpapered for the first time in about 30 years as I wanted a funky downstairs loo and Ex didn't like wallpaper so that was very much a fuck you to him!

The house is just starting to get much more organised and clean

I'm hoping to engage the services of a semi retired painter to help with some of the other rooms just so it's not quite so daunting. the house is really too big but I'll need to keep it for now but at least when I come to sell it shouldn't be such a big project to get it ready.

We got this ladies! Reclaim your space!💪

This is me and my son as well. We are happy reclaiming our house from the shit. Then he'd stomp around saying what a shithole it was. I now realise that he was the main one creating the mess. It's all so calm and clean and peaceful here now.

Baffers100 · 11/11/2024 11:30

Superdupersquirrel · 01/06/2024 05:53

Sorry I read back and there so many typos and I can’t change them - I’ll try again!

For the past few years, I’ve had a creeping sense that our almost 30 year relationship is coming to an end. The issue is my dh says he’s very happy with the way things are and when I express that I am not I am just pining for romance, hearts and flowers etc which is not realistic.

What I actually want is conversation, some intimacy other than sex and for us to socialise together, not always apart. He has work, his sport and then he comes home and we watch TV. I talk at him, as he’s not interested in what I have to say most of the time. we’ve drifted away from any joint friends and he doesn’t see family anymore.

He’s not interested in holidays as he thinks that’s just people not being content with what they have. He doesn’t understand why me and my dd would want to go away more than once every couple of years. Even then he never really enjoys it. He does have a health condition which means his energy is limited and he says once work and sport is done there’s nothing left. He misunderstands my want for us to start socialising with friends and family again as being too needy and I should just do these things on my own. I think it’s very important to have your own interests, but staring down the barrel of sitting at home in relative silence is terrifying. I’ve said I can’t go on like this and he has said he’s perfectly happy so it’s up to me. And I guess that’s true, so I end the bitch that breaks up the family I suppose. I’m concerned he may actually be depressed but when I’ve tried to broach this the response is it’s all in my head and I’m the one that’s depressed.

he says I want him to change and tbh he’s absolutely right - I feel like we are so isolated from the world and the fun has just gone.

am I unrealistic? Is this what relationships are? I’ve been with him for so long, I’m not sure what to feel anymore. Leaving someone just because you’ve drifted apart, not because they are a bad person feels awful. but it feels like the light has gone out. And then there’s my dd17 (although even she has pointed out to me how sad she thinks our life is as we do nothing), house, my wonderful dog etc.

i know I can’t do this for the rest of my life, it goes so fast but what do I do?

My life has echoes with yours.

My STBXH comes home from work, gets changed, lays on the bed. He comes down for dinner, eats then sits on the sofa. I get the kids to bed, and he's either awake for half an hour and then asleep on the sofa or he's already nodded off.

I used to wake up early in the morning, go downstairs and get him up to bed. I stopped aged ago because it disturbed my sleep and I was sick of having to parent him. He'd come up and have to listen to science videos on YouTube because he can't get back to sleep.

His mum asked about him being tired one day and I told her all this, infront of STBXH and his dad. MIL said his dad was just the same and when she was my age she often thought about leaving but didn't go because of the kids. She said she has become used to feeling very lonely. I thought I can't endure this for the rest of my life!

Geraniumandorange · 11/11/2024 16:50

His mum asked about him being tired one day and I told her all this, infront of STBXH and his dad. MIL said his dad was just the same and when she was my age she often thought about leaving but didn't go because of the kids. She said she has become used to feeling very lonely. I thought I can't endure this for the rest of my life!

This is a big wake up call isn't it - when you can see a pattern. It's really sad that a lot of women (and men) live like this, potentially live their lives out to the end in a kind of holding pattern of discontent and loneliness. I can't bring myself to do this. Lining things up, taking a while but I am happy I have a plan.

PeachyKeane · 11/11/2024 16:53

That would have been my life, too. I'm so glad I took the plunge. Everyone I speak to is telling me how brave I have been. I thought everyone would hate me and blame me for destroying the family. That just hasn't happened at all.

Baffers100 · 12/11/2024 08:59

I actually found that people treated me probably negatively because of me driving the divorce. It was almost like being unhappy isn't enough of a reason. I'm not going to open up to the mums on the school run and say 'well his contribution to our 14 years of marriage is forcing himself on me at 5 1/2 months post partum and not a lot more' but I'm pretty sure the hasty judgement would stop.
I've also found our shared male friends have all sided with him and I've had zero contact since. His brother is frosty as (which I get, he's standing by his family, but I hate the way I am perceived as the devil bloody woman).

cheezncrackers · 12/11/2024 09:08

Well, firstly, I think a lot of marriages end up like this in later life. When life is busy with work and kids and time and money is limited it's easy for the years to pass by in a blur and for the differences between people to be less noticeable, because actually they don't spend much time together. But as we age, we get thrown together more and when retirement happens a readjustment is required and it becomes more important that the couple either enjoys spending their time together in similar ways, or that they are both happy to do their own things most of the time. You would appear to be in the first camp - you want a partner with whom to do things, inc. travel - he is in the second camp - happy to do his own thing, doesn't want to do things with you.

I think the question you have to ask yourself in order to solve this problem, since it's only a problem for you seemingly not for him, is this: Will I be happier on my own than I am in this marriage? Don't leave if what you're hoping for is to meet someone else who can tick all those boxes for you, because you might and leaving will open up that possibility, but you also might not. So how does the possibility of spending the rest of your life on your own feel? Does it feel better than facing the rest of your life in this unsatisfying relationship? If so, separate. You get one life and this is it. Your DC are grown up and living their own lives. You have to do what is right for YOU, not your DH or your DC.

BigBoysDontCry · 13/11/2024 18:57

This is the article:
On Monday a friend told me, almost in passing, that she was leaving her 'miserable marriage'. I didn't know there was anything especially miserable about it, although I'd always thought she was way more fun, interesting and smart than her frankly quite boring husband.
Having been stuck with him for several hours at a friend's wedding, I'd often wondered since how she put up with him. But, who knows, he probably felt the same about me.
I couldn't say I saw it coming then, but I honestly wasn't surprised. After all, she's not the first to announce imminent divorce. She's not even the second or the third. She is, in fact, about the 15th woman I know in their mid-40s to late-50s who has turned around in the past few years and said... Is this it? Really? For the next 30-odd years? No thanks.
Let's be clear, these are not, on the whole, women in so-called bad marriages, although I'm inclined to think that 'bad' is in the eye of the person who has to lie next to it in bed every night.
They are not, on the whole, having affairs. And they have not, again on the whole, been cheated on. They are not all suddenly freed up by the kids leaving home, even.
A study found that women in different-sex marriages reported the highest levels of psychological distress while men in same-sex marriages reported the lowest
They have just tired of the daily grind of 'acting the wife', as my aforementioned friend put it which, even in 2024, seems to entail far too much slaving away on behalf of others and not nearly enough appreciation for it.
The first of my friends to leave her husband turned out to be the advance guard. She and her partner had been together for more than 20 years, had four children and, despite them both being in full-time work for most of those two decades, she had divided herself between the professional and the domestic.
Which meant everything else — a social life, an inner life, her health, friendships, everything — went by the board.
Like so many heterosexual women in traditional marriages (even if you think it's not going to be traditional when you start out, that you're different, that you will never put up with that patriarchal nonsense), the effort was almost all hers. Well, more than 90 per cent at least.
If she wasn't doing this domestic chore or that family errand, she was arranging for someone else to do it. If a ball dropped, no one else would pick it up.
My friend's partner — charming, funny, a 'good dad', definitely 'one of the good guys' — carried on looking after his job, while she looked after her job and five other people's lives.
Doubtless he absolutely would have collected the children from school if one of them got sick, but he was at work. It didn't occur to either of them that so was she.
There's nothing standout about this story. Just as there's nothing standout about his shock when told she wanted a divorce, nor about the familial recriminations directed at her for 'giving up on their marriage so easily' (although interestingly none came from the children who were like, 'well, yeah, of course').
Nor was there anything unusual about the assumption that she must have found someone else — because why else would she leave? Why would anyone pull the plug if they didn't have another bed to jump straight into? (For the record, she hadn't.)
This is a relatively new thing. In part, it's about economics and women earning their own money, albeit often not a lot of it. It's about privilege. Many people who would love to leave relationships ranging from lacklustre to downright terrifying simply can't afford to.
The truth is, heterosexual marriage works better for men than for women, writes Sam Baker
And it's about social mores. It's about women waking up one morning or slowly, over the course of years, coming to, and realising they have had enough.
You don't have to look very far back — or even at all — to stumble on the old trope of the man who gets successful in his chosen field and dumps his first wife (the one he's often been with since school or college, who he's had children with, who has invariably subverted her wishes for his) for a younger glitzier model more befitting his new high- flying status.
Recently, I was speaking to author Emily Howes, about her latest novel, Mrs Dickens, which takes as its inspiration Charles Dickens' much overlooked first wife, Kate. The woman who bore their ten children and then found herself shamed for 'letting herself go'.
Chances are you don't know anything about Kate other than that the celebrated author dumped her, because it was a time-honoured rite of passage, almost. First wife dies/ages/gets boring/loses her looks/all of the above, man moves on.
I'm not saying that never happens any more. Of course it does — all the time. But it feels like there's a sea change happening. And a lot of men (not all men, obviously) don't like it. They like things the way they were.
Because the truth is, heterosexual marriage works better for men than for women.
When I was writing my book, The Shift, I came across a 2019 study in which researchers asked three sets of married couples — heterosexual, gay and lesbian — to keep daily diaries recording their experiences of marital strain and distress.
Women in different-sex marriages reported the highest levels of psychological distress. Men in same-sex marriages reported the lowest. Men married to women and women married to women were in the middle, recording similar levels of anguish.
'What's striking,' the study's lead author Michael Garcia, pointed out, 'is that earlier research had concluded that women in general were likely to report the most relationship distress. But it turns out that's only women married to men...'
Women (again, not all women) do the bulk of the labour. They make most of the effort.
Then I canvassed the 50 women aged approximately 40-60, who had volunteered to be my focus group for the book.
Women (again, not all women) do the bulk of the labour... and make most of the effort
Of those in long-term relationships, substantially more than 50 per cent were either dissatisfied or had recently left.
Even some of those who said they weren't especially dissatisfied expressed disquiet when they thought about the future.
I will never forget Stephanie, then 49, who had been with her husband since their late teens and was in despair at their diverging levels of ambition.
'Bless him for wanting a simple life — sex, two bottles of wine, Kung Pao prawns and golf most days, stopping off for three pints on the way home — but that's his dream life, not mine,' she said.
'I'm bored of it. I constantly wonder, is this it?'
It was salutary. I barely needed two hands to count the women who, like me, were in a long-term relationship and happy with the balance of labour, power and responsibility. Even fewer if you only counted the women whose partners were the opposite sex.
In the case of the women I know, I'm pretty sure that perimenopause has also come into play, in some shape or form.
The departure of those monthly tidal waves of oestrogen — generously called the 'nurturing hormone', but I prefer to think of as 'the doormat hormone' — causes them to look up and wonder what they've been doing and being and putting up with all these years.
And perhaps conclude that they're not doing and being and putting up with it any more.
That's mid-life women, but what about the rest? Because it's not just women in their 40s and 50s who are taking a look at heterosexual marriage and finding it wanting. It's women of all ages.
I have much older friends who joke that if/when they die, their husband will probably remarry in the time it takes to (get someone else to) change the sheets, but if/when their husband dies, of course they'll miss him, but they certainly won't be rushing to replace him.
They might get a friend, for sex and fun and weekends away on the side. But marriage? More dinners? More socks? More snoring? More Sky Sports? Not on your life.
And then there are the Gen Z women, currently aged between 12 and 27, who are distinctly less enthusiastic than Gen Z men about having children some day.
Who can blame them? You don't have to have children yourself —and I don't — to know that even now there's only one person whose life changes radically, and it's rarely the man's.
But it's not just about labour (be it emotional and domestic) and who ends up taking it on. It's about who gets prioritised and whose hopes and dreams get collectively or individually shunted aside.
You Could Make This Place Beautiful by poet Maggie Smith, 47, is a gorgeous book and one of a slew of recent American 'divorce memoirs' by women in their 40s that have made an impression on the bestseller lists.
Others include Lyz Lenz's This American Ex-Wife and Leslie Jamison's Splinters. Smith met her ex when they were both studying creative writing. Marriage and children saw her put aside her dream to support his. He went to law school; she became 'more wife and mother'.
She continued to write in a freelance capacity until, one day, she wrote a poem called Good Bones that went viral and projected her career into the fast lane. It could no longer take a backseat.
As Smith says of the inconvenience (to her ex) of being obliged to travel for work. 'I didn't feel missed as a person, I felt missed as staff.'
Ultimately, inevitably, they divorced and Smith was saved, at the last moment, from sacrificing herself and her dreams altogether. And this is why her memoir and the other women's stories of divorce and reemergence are resonating so loudly right now, because a zillion other women are looking up and thinking, hang on, me too.
And this, I think, is why there seems to be a divorce/separation epidemic among my heterosexual friends. They're done being the one who makes all the effort: who remembers all the birthdays; who works out what to have for tea.
They're done shelving their aspirations and prioritising other people's dreams. If they're lucky they have 30, 40 years ahead of them. This is their time.

Baffers100 · 14/11/2024 11:57

This part really resonated-

"Like so many heterosexual women in traditional marriages (even if you think it's not going to be traditional when you start out, that you're different, that you will never put up with that patriarchal nonsense), the effort was almost all hers. Well, more than 90 per cent at least.
If she wasn't doing this domestic chore or that family errand, she was arranging for someone else to do it. If a ball dropped, no one else would pick it up.
My friend's partner — charming, funny, a 'good dad', definitely 'one of the good guys' — carried on looking after his job, while she looked after her job and five other people's lives."

Ou lives have changed- we used to have the responsibility of the home and children, and the "other 50%" was from the husband. We now lead successful careers and have a whole second role working full time, while still maintaining the 1950s roles.
The men on the other hand, haven't stepped up in lots of cases. I've not once had a "you've just had quarter end, I've run you a bath, dinner is in the oven and I'll get the kids down." I've not even proactively had my STBXH run the hoover around because he knows it needs doing- it requires NAGGING first.

So, while we're adapting to what feels like doing everything single handily, it seems rather unfair for the men folk to not match our energy. I can't think of a single thing my STBXH brings to the table, and I would certainly be happier without him.

There's a movie called "The Break-Up" where Jennifer Aniston's character has a massive argument with her on screen husband. She can't relax until the dishes are done, she asks for help and he doesn't want to do them. Que a row about how she doesn't "want" to either, but how he should want to help her so it's not all her role. The fact that this resonates with so many people show how women recognise their partners complacency, and so do the men but they're not changing. No wonder we are divorcing them!

BigBoysDontCry · 14/11/2024 12:44

Couldn't agree more. It wasn't until DC were adults that I finally understood why Ex wasn't always as desperate as me for a summer holiday , somewhere warm with food on hand. It caused many arguments.

Once I wasn't working full time, (earning double what he was) plus doing all school drop off and pick ups, all evening activities, 90% of the housework, all the shopping and cooking and all the life admin/mental load funnily I wasn't as desperate for a holiday either.

When we started together it was very much a partnership and it felt like a team. As time went on more and more came on my plate and I'm a bit of a control freak so I guess I didn't mind so much at first. Since we split he has admitted that he regrets leaving everything up to me and having had to organise his own car insurance etc he realises how long it takes.

He knew I was tired and angry and frustrated about his lack of input. I told him often that I felt like a single parent but he chose to not step up.

I'm convinced he still thinks that me no longer wanting sex with him was due to my childhood abuse rather than me not wanting to sleep with someone who clearly had no love or respect for me. Apparently I need to go for counselling to make me happier. Turns out I am happier just by splitting with him....

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