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URGENT: Shall I Divorce Him?

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BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:38

My Husband hates my children (they’re not our kids together they are my children from a previous marriage and are pre teen / early teen secondary school age. He is hypercritical of them and is super picky about everything they do. He has no or next to no relationship with them despite the fact that he has been living under the same roof as them for last 5 years. His criticisms are especially focused upon my daughter who is my youngest and a typical pre teen. Messy and answers back a lot. He is constantly on high alert always telling me things she’s done wrong.

For example today - not using her knife only using her fork at dinner , hanging her sports medals on her wardrobe door handle because they swing when she opens and closes the door it risks damaging the wardrobe door apparently, talking back to me, using her phone at the dinner table (showing me a mug cake she wanted us to make for her pudding), being on her phone too much generally, having too many items of cosmetics and it causing the kids bathroom to be messy and this is a relatively ‘light’ day in terms of his complaints. We have been out all day and this has all been between 4 and 9pm today. Some days there will be constant complaints all day.

For example: as soon as the kids get back from school they’re being too loud (he works from home in the living room as he has used the study as his hobby room so can’t fit a desk in there), kids have not taken their school bags immediately up to their rooms, not put their shoes neatly on the hall mat, had a snack at the table and left crumbs, not pushed the dining room chair in when getting up, not cleared the table after their snack, not put the snack stuff in the dishwasher to his liking, stomped up the stairs too loud, ran up stairs, worn shoes in the house, got water on the floor or too much water around sink in bathroom and this will all be in the 30 mins or so after the kids get in from school - this continues in a similar vein every hour of the day he is in the house with the kids.

In the first years or our marriage I tried to get the kids to do things to his liking but a couple of weeks ago I could no longer stand his constant petty ridiculous nitpicking of my kids and told him if he didn’t lay off them we were getting divorced.

He has never really tried to form any sort of relationship with my kids. They dislike him and tolerate him at absolute best. My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

My husband and I are arguing about this on a daily basis. He is a negative, chronic complainer and doesn’t see the good in the world or in people in general. He is basically a miserable person. He hates his job and complains about that too. He dropped from full time to 4 days a week last year, but he is as miserable as ever.

A couple of months back after a family walk my daughter was sat in my car boot getting her muddy wellies off. He told her to get out of the boot so as not to get it muddy. She reasoned that her muddy boots were hung over the edge of the car boot. He was infuriated at her for talking back and literally physically removed her from the boot of my car - quite roughly too. I was shocked and have since been spending a lot of time considering leaving him.

My daughter had told me previously that he gets really angry with her when I am not there eg about leaving her room messy and she feels he wants to hit her that is how furious he appears to her. He never has hit her, just been cross with her but it has clearly scared her.

My son has basically figured out that he needs to not speak back and to not question my husband about stuff and he is generally a less confrontational child and so doesn’t get targeted by my husband as much as my daughter. A few years ago however my son was on the receiving end of exactly what my daughter is now I once went into my sons room and found my husband had hold of him on both shoulders - my husband said my son had tried to kick/lash out at him - this was years ago now and has not occurred again. I told my husband I would not tolerate this and that it would be over if he ever did anything like that again.

I am literally at the point where I cannot relax in my own home with the kids as I am just always waiting for the next negative comment or criticism to come from my husband. He literally hates all the world. Do I divorce him?

The house is in my sole name but he’s been here for 5 years so presumably would have some claim on it in the event of a divorce?

He constantly moans about the fact that he has to pay towards the mortgage from our joint back account without any ownership of the property. He often moans about the cost of raising my kids and how it costs much more than the child maintenance my ex husband pays. He moans about how much I spend (I am the main breadwinner). I do not live lavishly but literally every time I take the kids out anywhere that costs anything he will comment on it. I have not had a proper holiday with my kids in 5 years (we have been going camping or renting an air bnb with friends in the uk as he has been saying he doesn’t want to go on holiday with the kids he would rather just go with me and it would cost too much to do 2 holidays so either he and I have a holiday together or the kids and I do - I have ignored this and booked the above holidays for the kids and I every year anyway. He doesn’t come with us and will book a cottage in the uk for one week a year for him and me which I don’t enjoy as I am basically a cook on holiday he will just complain about having to eat out too much. Last year I told him I was booking an all inclusive in 2025 for the kids and I and he could come if he liked which he has agreed to - but I literally had to fight to get him to listen to what I wanted)

Financially I could manage without him as I work practically full time plus I get child maintenance from my ex.

Question is do I divorce him? And if I do what happens to my house? Shall I offer to pay him back whatever he has spent on my house so far just to make him more likely to leave without a fuss. I have asked him to move out and he has said no. He says he does not want a divorce, but I have so much anger, sadness and resentment about how the kids and I have been living in this bloody war zone for the last 5 years I cannot see any other way forward. Thank you so much for reading and any advice would be very gratefully received.

OP posts:
Womaninred · 13/05/2024 02:41

HugeCwtch · 11/05/2024 22:44

My Husband hates my children

I didn't need to read more.
Why did you marry him?
Why are you still married to him?

This👏. Why are you even asking? And why have you put up with this for so long? All you’re doing is heading for no relationship with your kids

datcherygrateful · 13/05/2024 06:43

I am curious as to why you married him too OP. But I do have a few thoughts because some PP have been quite harsh.
I suspect he was perfectly fine in the beginning seeing as your kids were much younger ( 6 or 7 yrs old right) , and therefore less likely to rebel, talk back or whatever he thought would bother him ie. their behaviour was manageable as they were not entering the difficult teen years.

He has no kids himself right? So this is his only exposure to parenting and he might have been quite ok with them when they were younger but became increasingly frustrated as they developed their personalities, pushed boundaries (which many do at that age) and need attention as the focus was drawn away from him and felt he was a fourth wheel.

What was he like when they were much younger OP?

Very selfish man. He should not have pursued a relationship with someone who has children.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 13/05/2024 09:49

TheFormidableMrsC · 12/05/2024 22:48

So proud of you @BusyFinch. Ignore the shitty holier than thou posters who have not ever experienced something like this. You've been amazing and I hope you and your kids have the happiest of futures. Keep posting as you go through the process. I got a huge amount of support here and a lot of us have experience to help. Flowers

No, most posters have not subjected their kids to this and for good reason. It's not 'holier than thou' it's not being a shitty parent.

TheFormidableMrsC · 13/05/2024 13:01

@PersephonePomegranate23 You do realise they don't start like this don't you? I married an absolute arsehole. The charming, loving and kind man disappeared after a few years to be replaced with a serial cheating, misogynistic nightmare. He was horrible to my daughter but not in front of me. She hid it because she was scared of him. How do you think that made me feel? Sure, there are plenty of women who put their vagina before their children. However, OP isn't one of them and while I would probably have not allowed this to go on for as long as it has, she's doing what she can now to get the hell out of it.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 13/05/2024 13:13

@TheFormidableMrsC

I'm sorry for your expirence, but in the Op's own words:

In the first years or our marriage I tried to get the kids to do things to his liking but a couple of weeks ago I could no longer stand his constant petty ridiculous nitpicking of my kids and told him if he didn’t lay off them we were getting divorced.

This has been going for years.

Would you make the same excuses for a man?

Nanny0gg · 13/05/2024 13:21

PersephonePomegranate23 · 13/05/2024 09:49

No, most posters have not subjected their kids to this and for good reason. It's not 'holier than thou' it's not being a shitty parent.

Would you say that to every woman with an abusive partner?

Nice...

PersephonePomegranate23 · 13/05/2024 13:27

No, I'd say it to any person who had already been through a divorce/breakup and then chose someone completely unsuitable to introduce into their children's lives, make their lives a misery and still be in doubt as to whether they should divorce them.

People would not be so quick to shout 'abuse' if this were a man, they'd be proclaiming 'thinking with their dick'.

The minimising here is absolutely shocking.

stayathomegardener · 13/05/2024 13:56

Go you! Fantastic update.

Thisissopainful · 13/05/2024 13:59

Why are you making your kids live with a man that treats them like this? This is their home and they should feel safe and not have to walk on eggshells with someone who finds fault with everything they do. It's doubtful this attitude only started after he moved in so why did you marry him? He's an abuser - unless you get rid of him they will grow up feeling you allowed him to stay and don't have their backs and they will always remember that.

Dump him. You will see the relief. No one is worth what he is putting you all through.

ItDoesntHaveToBeDave · 13/05/2024 15:45

Thisissopainful · 13/05/2024 13:59

Why are you making your kids live with a man that treats them like this? This is their home and they should feel safe and not have to walk on eggshells with someone who finds fault with everything they do. It's doubtful this attitude only started after he moved in so why did you marry him? He's an abuser - unless you get rid of him they will grow up feeling you allowed him to stay and don't have their backs and they will always remember that.

Dump him. You will see the relief. No one is worth what he is putting you all through.

It is a shame you didn't put as much effort into reading the OP's updates as you did to writing this now pointless post.

Hemakesmesmile2 · 13/05/2024 16:39

HiOP, great news regarding divorce application. A holiday just you and your children will be wonderful. The second part of your life starts now. I got rid of my abusive ex 7 years ago. Raised my two young children on my own and it’s hard but also so much easier not being dyl of resentment for someone else and looking after a man child. It may seem so overwhelming atm but honestly, you will get a handle on it and in a years time you will look back and be so proud of yourself. You’ve got this 🥰

tempname1234 · 13/05/2024 16:52

Whatever you do decide to do, you need to address the fact that your ex had told them, and they follow through on, not listening to him.

this key point will follow you through every relationship you may have. That has just got to stop.

if you want to divorce, you divorce. What your husband wants does not matter.

however, it is becoming more popular to be together apart. Be this from different life styles, difficulty blending families etc. it is something to consider. You live apart from each other and when your children are with their father? You’re with your husband. You holiday separately, sometimes with your husband and some times with your children

given space, time and maturity, you may find that things years then the line does change.

do
ethung similar happened with a friend of mine. Her ex really pushed their son to sabatoge any if her new relationships. The one that lasted? She kept separate. Now years down the line, her son had his own flat, my friend lives with her partner, her son comes to visit. It is cordial and they are together every other holiday.

Mummy2024 · 13/05/2024 17:41

BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:52

Thank you for your replies. I have seen a solicitor who said he would have a claim on the house technically and my best bet would be to offer to pay him a settlement to get him to leave. He is refusing to move out despite me asking him though. What do I practically do?

After each argument I have clearly said to him I cannot live like this and asked what he would be looking for in the event of a divorce. He just says I am emotionally abusing him by repeatedly threatening divorce and will not discuss the terms of a separation with me.

He has a claim on the house but you have children and he doesn't. The courts will see that the children need housing more than he does.... take him to court to get him out. Instruct the solicitor to serve him papers ASAP. He's manipulating you by the way wanting a separation and divorce is not emotional abuse. He's gas lighting you. Tell him you no longer wish to communicate face to face and he should seek a solicitor ASAP as he will be being served imminently

Mummy2024 · 13/05/2024 17:53

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 23:00

DS was beaming and said it was the right choice and DD was quite subdued asking what would happen about the holiday to Turkey we had booked - I said obvs he will not be coming and just us 3 will go. We then went to spend the afternoon with my family.

I think your daughters reaction is abit concerning OP, she could be worrying she's responsible for the marriage breakdown. I'd stress to her that she's not responsible and the overall situation became to much to bare and that it is nothing at all to do with her. I presume he's been around since she was young so she sees him as a father figure? she likely does care for him and will take some time to recover. I'd watch her carefully as she likely will not see him again once the divorce has gone through, I think her emotional health may need some close monitoring.

DriftingDora · 13/05/2024 18:50

Wish44 · 12/05/2024 12:55

The thing is the op knows she has made a mistake…. How are you helping the situation or the OP?

And I might ask the same of you - how are you helping? Or do you feel a self-righteous glow for not pointing out that the OP needs to accept responsibility? In which case, it's more about you than her.

Ignoring the obvious was bound to have repercussions and living in the real world I do not buy for one minute that there weren't red flags here, which the OP ignored - and what precipitated the OP talking of divorce was, in her own admission, a culmination of more than one previous incident, not a one off - and she has been with him for a period of five years. Being a good parent, rather than a crap parent, is about considering your children first and he should have been gone long ago, as her children may agree when they are older.

lovemycbf · 13/05/2024 19:44

Oh my goodness
No man is worth sacrificing your childrens wellbeing for.
Seriously divorce him
I have had a stepdad since 10 years old and I can assure you he's never laid a finger aggressively or told me off in anyway as it was down to my mum to tell me off if needed
You're showing your daughter that this is how men treat women and normalising it

lovemycbf · 13/05/2024 19:49

Just read update about telling him it's over
Well done it takes courage

Busybeemumm · 13/05/2024 21:01

One of the questions we hear time and time again is “Why doesn’t she just leave?"We need to stop blaming survivors for staying and start supporting them to enable them to leave. By understanding the many barriers that stand in the way of a woman leaving an abusive relationship – be it psychological, emotional, financial or physical threats – we can begin to support and empower women to make the best decision for them while holding abusers solely accountable for their behaviour. Women's Aid

datcherygrateful · 14/05/2024 08:25

Mummy2024 · 13/05/2024 17:53

I think your daughters reaction is abit concerning OP, she could be worrying she's responsible for the marriage breakdown. I'd stress to her that she's not responsible and the overall situation became to much to bare and that it is nothing at all to do with her. I presume he's been around since she was young so she sees him as a father figure? she likely does care for him and will take some time to recover. I'd watch her carefully as she likely will not see him again once the divorce has gone through, I think her emotional health may need some close monitoring.

That's interesting, I initially interpreted it as "can we still go?"- She is likely very excited about the trip and momentarily got worried that maybe this meant the trip was off. Kids process things differently and at different times.

💐

datcherygrateful · 14/05/2024 08:31

My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

I'd sort this out too OP. PP's upthread have brought this up; he should not have told the kids that tbf as it was undermining and sabotaging your relationship and he'll do that in any other future relationship too. It's manipulative and he is weaponizing the kids.

OutlawZeroHours · 14/05/2024 08:38

He sounds tense and difficult and quite likely has some mental health or neurodiversity issues tbh

Your choice is:

  • tell him your feelings and give him a chance to work on stuff, couples / family counselling, get help with his moods and anger issues etc
  • Just leave with no warning

It doesn't sound like you're that keen on him tbh but at least doing the first option gives him time to prepare for you leaving and a chance to try and put things right if he wants to

YouMustBeHappyNow · 14/05/2024 08:39

It's her house!

HopelesslyOptimistic · 14/05/2024 08:46

Well done OP, brave decisions you've made, keep going. Your children will soon forget the impact he's had on them and through you a party when he's gone. He can live his miserable life talking and complaining to himself. When he gets his quietness he'll be complaining it's too quiet. 🤫

badwolf82 · 14/05/2024 09:38

datcherygrateful · 14/05/2024 08:31

My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

I'd sort this out too OP. PP's upthread have brought this up; he should not have told the kids that tbf as it was undermining and sabotaging your relationship and he'll do that in any other future relationship too. It's manipulative and he is weaponizing the kids.

It sounds like in this case the dad was actually protecting his kids from their abusive and unreasonable stepfather.

datcherygrateful · 14/05/2024 10:48

badwolf82 · 14/05/2024 09:38

It sounds like in this case the dad was actually protecting his kids from their abusive and unreasonable stepfather.

Very possible; but the OP has used the term 'indoctrination'

I was in a relationship with someone who had a daughter who lived mostly with her mum and step father (and her 2 half siblings). I think she may have been about 11 (yr 7) and my partner at the time hated the step father. The stepfather, a police officer, never did anything out of place (that I knew of ) but had rules in the house and I think on occasion I actually agreed with the SF. The mum and SF wanted the daughter to delete snapchat or insta (not sure) because they felt she was too preoccupied with getting external validation and was worried about her safety online as she was adding random 'boys' on there.

My partner did not like the idea that another man could tell his daughter what to do or not do . I explained to him at the time that it was the mum's idea too and that maybe on that one occasion I was made aware of they were onto something because his daughter was getting bullied online and at school through social media and that maybe the SF being a police officer and being aware of the impacts of online engagement, he was getting involved out of care?

Reflecting back, the ex was a Disney Dad, and did reinforce the idea in his daughter to just not listen to the SF; which I believe has made the family dynamics more challenging (between him and mum)

It was hard to witness.

I also remember my ex saying something in passing which reading this thread jogged a memory.

I think they were all on holiday, and his daughter got bit by something so had to get some treatment and instead of him taking her to the doctors, she was picked up and taken by the SF. My ex gloated that he "got him to pay the medical bill"

It felt like he was weaponizing his daughter.

Not that this is what is happening here, but if the OP's ex had a tendency to indoctrinate, he will sabotage her future happiness.

Best of luck OP x