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URGENT: Shall I Divorce Him?

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BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:38

My Husband hates my children (they’re not our kids together they are my children from a previous marriage and are pre teen / early teen secondary school age. He is hypercritical of them and is super picky about everything they do. He has no or next to no relationship with them despite the fact that he has been living under the same roof as them for last 5 years. His criticisms are especially focused upon my daughter who is my youngest and a typical pre teen. Messy and answers back a lot. He is constantly on high alert always telling me things she’s done wrong.

For example today - not using her knife only using her fork at dinner , hanging her sports medals on her wardrobe door handle because they swing when she opens and closes the door it risks damaging the wardrobe door apparently, talking back to me, using her phone at the dinner table (showing me a mug cake she wanted us to make for her pudding), being on her phone too much generally, having too many items of cosmetics and it causing the kids bathroom to be messy and this is a relatively ‘light’ day in terms of his complaints. We have been out all day and this has all been between 4 and 9pm today. Some days there will be constant complaints all day.

For example: as soon as the kids get back from school they’re being too loud (he works from home in the living room as he has used the study as his hobby room so can’t fit a desk in there), kids have not taken their school bags immediately up to their rooms, not put their shoes neatly on the hall mat, had a snack at the table and left crumbs, not pushed the dining room chair in when getting up, not cleared the table after their snack, not put the snack stuff in the dishwasher to his liking, stomped up the stairs too loud, ran up stairs, worn shoes in the house, got water on the floor or too much water around sink in bathroom and this will all be in the 30 mins or so after the kids get in from school - this continues in a similar vein every hour of the day he is in the house with the kids.

In the first years or our marriage I tried to get the kids to do things to his liking but a couple of weeks ago I could no longer stand his constant petty ridiculous nitpicking of my kids and told him if he didn’t lay off them we were getting divorced.

He has never really tried to form any sort of relationship with my kids. They dislike him and tolerate him at absolute best. My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

My husband and I are arguing about this on a daily basis. He is a negative, chronic complainer and doesn’t see the good in the world or in people in general. He is basically a miserable person. He hates his job and complains about that too. He dropped from full time to 4 days a week last year, but he is as miserable as ever.

A couple of months back after a family walk my daughter was sat in my car boot getting her muddy wellies off. He told her to get out of the boot so as not to get it muddy. She reasoned that her muddy boots were hung over the edge of the car boot. He was infuriated at her for talking back and literally physically removed her from the boot of my car - quite roughly too. I was shocked and have since been spending a lot of time considering leaving him.

My daughter had told me previously that he gets really angry with her when I am not there eg about leaving her room messy and she feels he wants to hit her that is how furious he appears to her. He never has hit her, just been cross with her but it has clearly scared her.

My son has basically figured out that he needs to not speak back and to not question my husband about stuff and he is generally a less confrontational child and so doesn’t get targeted by my husband as much as my daughter. A few years ago however my son was on the receiving end of exactly what my daughter is now I once went into my sons room and found my husband had hold of him on both shoulders - my husband said my son had tried to kick/lash out at him - this was years ago now and has not occurred again. I told my husband I would not tolerate this and that it would be over if he ever did anything like that again.

I am literally at the point where I cannot relax in my own home with the kids as I am just always waiting for the next negative comment or criticism to come from my husband. He literally hates all the world. Do I divorce him?

The house is in my sole name but he’s been here for 5 years so presumably would have some claim on it in the event of a divorce?

He constantly moans about the fact that he has to pay towards the mortgage from our joint back account without any ownership of the property. He often moans about the cost of raising my kids and how it costs much more than the child maintenance my ex husband pays. He moans about how much I spend (I am the main breadwinner). I do not live lavishly but literally every time I take the kids out anywhere that costs anything he will comment on it. I have not had a proper holiday with my kids in 5 years (we have been going camping or renting an air bnb with friends in the uk as he has been saying he doesn’t want to go on holiday with the kids he would rather just go with me and it would cost too much to do 2 holidays so either he and I have a holiday together or the kids and I do - I have ignored this and booked the above holidays for the kids and I every year anyway. He doesn’t come with us and will book a cottage in the uk for one week a year for him and me which I don’t enjoy as I am basically a cook on holiday he will just complain about having to eat out too much. Last year I told him I was booking an all inclusive in 2025 for the kids and I and he could come if he liked which he has agreed to - but I literally had to fight to get him to listen to what I wanted)

Financially I could manage without him as I work practically full time plus I get child maintenance from my ex.

Question is do I divorce him? And if I do what happens to my house? Shall I offer to pay him back whatever he has spent on my house so far just to make him more likely to leave without a fuss. I have asked him to move out and he has said no. He says he does not want a divorce, but I have so much anger, sadness and resentment about how the kids and I have been living in this bloody war zone for the last 5 years I cannot see any other way forward. Thank you so much for reading and any advice would be very gratefully received.

OP posts:
StopStartStop · 12/05/2024 17:38

URGENT: Shall I Divorce Him?
URGENT: YES
Read online about the detail and get professional advice. Then get your dc out of there, and yourself, too.
URGENT, UPDATE: Oh, you are doing. Thank goodness!

femfemlicious · 12/05/2024 17:39

Start divorce proceedings immediately. You should never have married him if he never had a good relationship with your children.

Pineapples1234 · 12/05/2024 17:43

All those asking how she ended up with him.

OP has probably had low self esteem or non existent boundaries since before she met him.

Her initial response to his nastiness was to try to teach her children how to survive domestic abuse. Instead of ending the abuse by ending the marriage.

She talks about her DS keeping his head down as if that's a good thing. Not heart breaking that he has learned to behave like this, as if it were normal.

She gives off a kind of vibe as though her DD standing up for herself sometimes, and very mildly at that, is at least part of the cause of the problems between DD and OPs husband. Like if DD would only learn to keep her head down too, everything would be ok. Totally messed up way of thinking.

She's got a real victim mentality going on that everything is basically fine as long as he's not outright hitting anyone. She's even witnessed violence twice, towards both DC and is only just starting to question if that's what it was. She doesn't recognize violence even when she sees it with her own eyes.

She's got no insight into how messed up her DC are already. She may not have consciously meant to, but all the same she's colluded in their abuse by him and she doesn't even realise it. The catalyst for this divorce is her finally losing patience one day with his irritability, rather than her DC's welfare.

He probably saw her coming from a mile off.

Lenoftheglen · 12/05/2024 17:48

My daughter had told me previously that he gets really angry with her when I am not there eg about leaving her room messy and she feels he wants to hit her that is how furious he appears to her. He never has hit her, just been cross with her but it has clearly scared her.

I couldn't read beyond this. WTF is wrong with you?! He is ruining their childhood and you are letting him.

Step up for your children and divorce the miserable prick immediately.

Mydietstartstomorrow · 12/05/2024 17:54

HugeCwtch · 11/05/2024 22:44

My Husband hates my children

I didn't need to read more.
Why did you marry him?
Why are you still married to him?

This. I really don’t understand why you married him and why you’ve let him bully your children for so long??

Despair1 · 12/05/2024 17:55

Yes, this marriage cannot be salvaged. You need to legally get him to leave, I am pleased that you have seen a solicitor. You and your children deserve so much more than this. Your children sound like typical teenagers and his behaviour is despicable. Yes, he probably will have a claim on your property but that is a small price to pay for yours and your children's peace of mind and happiness.
Sending you courage and strength

Summerpussy · 12/05/2024 17:55

What on earth have I just read ..
You really really need to ask ..?????
Coz that's very worrying that the right thing to do is not obvious to you .
Get a solicitor booked and hopefully he's not entitled to any money from the house .
God only knows what you were thinking getting married to anyone when you had children,your own home and financial independence

Summerpussy · 12/05/2024 17:58

Excellent news ,on the updates

Finallysawthelight · 12/05/2024 18:00

It sounds like a very tense and anxious situation. Have you considered couples therapy or family therapy? I know he is being awful and intolerable and that it is a horrible situation for you, but there are so many dynamics at play here. One of the key issues is that your ex is the third person in your relationships and is manipulating it via the children, which in my book is manipulation and emotional abuse of the children. Ask yourself if you still love him, trust him and respect him and if yes then if you still want the marriage. If you do want the marriage, then talk about going to therapy.

misszebra · 12/05/2024 18:02

OH DEAR... if you're even ASKING yourself that question, the answer is yes!

twinmum2007 · 12/05/2024 18:05

Get him the fuck out now. Your children need you to.

beenwhereyouare · 12/05/2024 18:06

tara66 · 12/05/2024 07:30

Hope the DC show their total joy he is leaving and hurry him up in every way! Make him start packing or if he doesn't you and Dc start - get large black plastic bags and change the locks etc. Let everyone tell him how awful he is all the time and that doing so is best for everyone else's mental health and DC need to express their true feelings etc!

@BusyFinch Please, for your safety, do NOT take this advice.

@tara66 The time before he leaves while he is still in the house will be the most dangerous for the OP and her children to behave that way. They can celebrate once he's gone.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/05/2024 18:14

@BusyFinch

My usual advice....you've spoken your piece, now 'go stealth'. Let him believe you were just 'blowing off steam'. Say nothing more until you've seen a solicitor and gotten sound legal advice and filed any papers you need to file. Only when you are secure in your actions and what it will take to get him out should you once again raise the issues. And at that time you can take whatever actions needed to separate any finances (if applicable).

I understand your concern about your house. Houses are our 'security'. BUT, no house is worth the damage this man is doing to your children. See a solicitor and do what you must to get him out, even if you have to buy him out. Your children will thank you for it later, I promise. Hopefully with a 'short term marriage' and no children in common it won't come to that. So make no offers now, not until you've gotten legal advice.

Good luck to you!

Sharkattack1888 · 12/05/2024 18:15

So I take it that he was great with the children when you first met? And for a year or so he was kind and caring? So I don't understand how he changed? If he was not kind and caring then surely you would have ended things before talking marriage??? Is this real?

samqueens · 12/05/2024 18:16

He is abusive. Read Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That? (Download on kindle or Apple Books, read discretely).

Speak to women’s aid to make a plan as to how to end things (ie the practicalities of how to get him out of the house etc).

It may be possible for you to change the locks on him, box up all his things and leave them outside. He will take you to court for a settlement but he is going to take you to court anyway I’d assume, so at least this way you’ll not have him in your house while doing it. No idea what the legals on that course of action would be though.

write down incidents of his behaviour as a timeline, screenshot any relevant messages/emails he has sent you.

And speak to women’s aid and go back to the solicitor to be explicit about his abuse and get their advice.

morechaimama · 12/05/2024 18:17

Well done @BusyFinch I've been in your situation and it's not as easy or as straightforward as some on here seem to think.

You've done the hard bit by making the decision that he must go and telling him that. Now let lawyers sort everything else. But well done, I'm very proud of you!

Isometimeswonder · 12/05/2024 18:22

Leave him. Do better for your kids. So sad for them.

Busybeemumm · 12/05/2024 18:26

Name this what it is- Domestic Abuse. Just because there are no bruises to show the emotional abuse is far far worse as it erodes who you are. So sad to hear how your poor son has already changed how he responds to keep the peace. Your kids self esteem must be shattered to pieces. You all have a long road ahead to get over the last 5 years of this hell. Wishing you all the best. Don't go back on your decision now or your children will completely loose all respect for you. Keep moving forwards to get rid.

CountingCors · 12/05/2024 18:28

Omg leave him. We didn't even need to read the whole post to come to that conclusion.

If you stay, as your kids get older and find partners and have kids, they will find more and more reasons not to come home and not to see you. They certainly won't want their kids around him and therefore you will not get to be the kind of grandparent you want to be (if you do).

I know all this because my parent didn't leave.

CountingCors · 12/05/2024 18:32

Oh wow just read your update. You won't regret it x

Allthehorsesintheworld · 12/05/2024 18:37

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 07:59

He is going away nx weekend to his friends place so I am considering doing exactly that. In the first instance I would hope that he would go quietly though as I don’t want to risk him trying to bang the door down when we are inside.

If he kicked off, tried to force entry you call the police. Say he’s verbally abusive, has been physically rough with your dd and you are scared for your and their safety. Ime angry men don’t make rational decisions so it’d all be true.
Well done on getting the ball rolling, neither you or your dc should live with a bully.

Mummy2024 · 12/05/2024 18:38

BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:38

My Husband hates my children (they’re not our kids together they are my children from a previous marriage and are pre teen / early teen secondary school age. He is hypercritical of them and is super picky about everything they do. He has no or next to no relationship with them despite the fact that he has been living under the same roof as them for last 5 years. His criticisms are especially focused upon my daughter who is my youngest and a typical pre teen. Messy and answers back a lot. He is constantly on high alert always telling me things she’s done wrong.

For example today - not using her knife only using her fork at dinner , hanging her sports medals on her wardrobe door handle because they swing when she opens and closes the door it risks damaging the wardrobe door apparently, talking back to me, using her phone at the dinner table (showing me a mug cake she wanted us to make for her pudding), being on her phone too much generally, having too many items of cosmetics and it causing the kids bathroom to be messy and this is a relatively ‘light’ day in terms of his complaints. We have been out all day and this has all been between 4 and 9pm today. Some days there will be constant complaints all day.

For example: as soon as the kids get back from school they’re being too loud (he works from home in the living room as he has used the study as his hobby room so can’t fit a desk in there), kids have not taken their school bags immediately up to their rooms, not put their shoes neatly on the hall mat, had a snack at the table and left crumbs, not pushed the dining room chair in when getting up, not cleared the table after their snack, not put the snack stuff in the dishwasher to his liking, stomped up the stairs too loud, ran up stairs, worn shoes in the house, got water on the floor or too much water around sink in bathroom and this will all be in the 30 mins or so after the kids get in from school - this continues in a similar vein every hour of the day he is in the house with the kids.

In the first years or our marriage I tried to get the kids to do things to his liking but a couple of weeks ago I could no longer stand his constant petty ridiculous nitpicking of my kids and told him if he didn’t lay off them we were getting divorced.

He has never really tried to form any sort of relationship with my kids. They dislike him and tolerate him at absolute best. My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

My husband and I are arguing about this on a daily basis. He is a negative, chronic complainer and doesn’t see the good in the world or in people in general. He is basically a miserable person. He hates his job and complains about that too. He dropped from full time to 4 days a week last year, but he is as miserable as ever.

A couple of months back after a family walk my daughter was sat in my car boot getting her muddy wellies off. He told her to get out of the boot so as not to get it muddy. She reasoned that her muddy boots were hung over the edge of the car boot. He was infuriated at her for talking back and literally physically removed her from the boot of my car - quite roughly too. I was shocked and have since been spending a lot of time considering leaving him.

My daughter had told me previously that he gets really angry with her when I am not there eg about leaving her room messy and she feels he wants to hit her that is how furious he appears to her. He never has hit her, just been cross with her but it has clearly scared her.

My son has basically figured out that he needs to not speak back and to not question my husband about stuff and he is generally a less confrontational child and so doesn’t get targeted by my husband as much as my daughter. A few years ago however my son was on the receiving end of exactly what my daughter is now I once went into my sons room and found my husband had hold of him on both shoulders - my husband said my son had tried to kick/lash out at him - this was years ago now and has not occurred again. I told my husband I would not tolerate this and that it would be over if he ever did anything like that again.

I am literally at the point where I cannot relax in my own home with the kids as I am just always waiting for the next negative comment or criticism to come from my husband. He literally hates all the world. Do I divorce him?

The house is in my sole name but he’s been here for 5 years so presumably would have some claim on it in the event of a divorce?

He constantly moans about the fact that he has to pay towards the mortgage from our joint back account without any ownership of the property. He often moans about the cost of raising my kids and how it costs much more than the child maintenance my ex husband pays. He moans about how much I spend (I am the main breadwinner). I do not live lavishly but literally every time I take the kids out anywhere that costs anything he will comment on it. I have not had a proper holiday with my kids in 5 years (we have been going camping or renting an air bnb with friends in the uk as he has been saying he doesn’t want to go on holiday with the kids he would rather just go with me and it would cost too much to do 2 holidays so either he and I have a holiday together or the kids and I do - I have ignored this and booked the above holidays for the kids and I every year anyway. He doesn’t come with us and will book a cottage in the uk for one week a year for him and me which I don’t enjoy as I am basically a cook on holiday he will just complain about having to eat out too much. Last year I told him I was booking an all inclusive in 2025 for the kids and I and he could come if he liked which he has agreed to - but I literally had to fight to get him to listen to what I wanted)

Financially I could manage without him as I work practically full time plus I get child maintenance from my ex.

Question is do I divorce him? And if I do what happens to my house? Shall I offer to pay him back whatever he has spent on my house so far just to make him more likely to leave without a fuss. I have asked him to move out and he has said no. He says he does not want a divorce, but I have so much anger, sadness and resentment about how the kids and I have been living in this bloody war zone for the last 5 years I cannot see any other way forward. Thank you so much for reading and any advice would be very gratefully received.

Get a divorce, if he didn't wanna love, care and pay for those kids he shouldn't have married you. As for the house he will be entitled to something as he's been paying half the mortgage. Sell it if you need to but he may settle for getting back what hes paid in or 50% of the value, not fair i know but what can you do. If not buy another. If you stay here you will lose your kids the second they are old enough to leave they will and he will encourage it. I agree they should do stuff they are asked but I feel kids are give and take, as long as they get the main stuff right I can over look shoes being left around and bags I moan all the time at my teen for it, makes 0 difference 😆. For me it's not even his nit picking its the moaning at paying the mortgage would he moan at rent? It's the moaning at you taking your kids out. You will be happier alone

fairymary87 · 12/05/2024 18:41

It's not a question, I'm
It gonna bash you like others, I feel like saying do what your gut tells you to do! You know it's time to leave him x

Lotsofsnacks · 12/05/2024 18:41

After one divorce, I wouldn’t have rushed into another marriage, especially with someone who made no effort with my children. Well done for kicking him out though, get a great lawyer on your side asap

Chaiilatte · 12/05/2024 18:43

Leave him! He's a nasty piece of work.