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Am I crazy to want to divorce over this?

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Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 15:35

I’m 37 and I’ve been married for 15 years, together with dh since I was 20. He’s eight years older than me.
We have two dc, 11 and 3.

In essence our marriage has never felt right to me. I married too young and he has always been in ‘control.’ I am slightly wary of him as he has a temper - he holds it together most of the time but he will snap if challenged. He had a good job and a house when we met and the fact he was financially better off and older means that he’s always had the control.

I’m now a sahm but I have no access to finances and he makes all financial decisions.
We don’t row. He would say everything was great. But partly why we don’t is I will back down because I’m slightly scared of him. I have no reason to be exactly. He’s never been physically aggressive but he will say things like ‘don’t talk to me at the moment or I might do something I will regret.’ Which feels like a vague threat. He will hiss through his teeth and his whole face changes. I am scared of him but I don’t know why.

Also I’m so bored. I know that’s a terrible reason to want to divorce but I am. We have nothing in common. I don’t like his family or his friends. He has nothing to do with my family and friends (they don’t like him) and we have totally different values.
He plays golf every single Saturday all day and spends Sunday at his mother’s. I never factor him into our weekend plans. He works away a fair bit but also plays golf at least one night in the week. In the summer as many as three evenings a week. When he’s here he lies on the sofa watching television and says it’s his tv and he’s watching what he wants. My evenings are spent in silence with things like deep space nine on tv.

There is a small element of control, he is happy for me to go out with my friends sometimes but he won’t let me have a night away with them. On the other hand he has been away on numerous stag and birthday events, sometimes for several days. He also occasionally goes out with his friends and gets very drunk and stops at his mum’s after as she lives by them. He then spends all the following day in bed, this is rare though. Maybe only three times a year and I don’t begrudge him a night out with his friends.

I just want more than this. I don’t think he will ever provide it. It’s so selfish though isn’t it. The children will suffer. I know dh would feel very much that he provides financially for us and I’m just throwing it back in his face. He loves the children even if he spends very little time with them.
I feel like it isn’t normal to not have any time together as a family unit apart from the odd holiday. I don’t see him a single part of our family anymore if I’m honest.
In addition he’s only ever had both children on his own (apart from when they are in bed) once and he’s never taken either of them anywhere apart from to his mum’s and he’s taken ds to the cinema. Once. He does take ds to his hobby every few weeks but that just involves dropping and fetching. He’s never cooked a meal or put any washing on or anything in the house but that bothers me less as im a sahm. Although even when I wasn’t it was no different. He’s never done a night feed or changed a nappy (we are out of this stage now, thank goodness). He’s never given me a lie in once, even in the days when Dc were tiny and I’d been up numerous times in the night. I don’t feel like we are a partnership.
It’s more that I want more than this. On the other hand if I left him it wouldn’t necessarily improve things and it could be worse. He would be fuming and would absolutely cut me off financially which would be very difficult. He also wouldn’t leave the house.
It would be out the blue for him. He thinks everything is great. I’m volunteering at the moment now my youngest is at preschool, although she’s been off more than she’s been there as she’s picking up all the preschool bugs 🙄. But I’m hoping to find a paid job in the next few months. When I was working between the two dc and ds was ill it was always my job that had to give as it was ‘less important.’

Is it selfish to want more than this? To think that it should be more than this? I don’t know. Sometimes I think I’ve had enough and I need to go but the thought of how it will affect the children just destroys me.

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hormonesorDHbeingadick · 25/09/2019 15:39

He is financially abusive and has opted out of family life. You are not unreasonable at all to want out.

statetrooperstacey · 25/09/2019 15:41

you’re not crazy to want a divorce no, but you would be crazy to not talk to him and tell him how you’re feeling and at least give him a chance to change. If you have never told him that you’re unhappy how would he know?

Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 15:44

The problem is state that at this point he can’t really win I suppose. It’s gone on so long that I’ve kind of made my own way with the children and I don’t want to see him more. That’s what he’s chosen to do and it’s been the same since we got married. Even the day after we moved house and everything was all over the place he went off and played golf the next day. Even when I’d just had dd and she was really poorly he left ds with his mum and went and played golf.
I just feel like I’ve checked out. I know I should probably give him a chance but I feel increasingly like there’s nothing in this relationship of any benefit for me. That’s probably selfish.

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PorterBella · 25/09/2019 15:47

He's got you well trained in subservience without laying a finger on you.
You're right to want more than the life you have now, op. You'r
right to want to be free of the soft tyranny.

Your DC will be fine, kids cope.
If you stay and and act the part of a woman coping your mental and physical health won't go along with the pretence for long.

Cauliflowerpower · 25/09/2019 16:01

God please divorce this useless lump of a man. It sounds like bloody purgatory

Your partner should WANT to share your life... be it evenings, laundry and your children...

AMAM8916 · 25/09/2019 16:03

Please say that you moved into a new house, whilst married and he didn't ring fence any of his initial funding into the new house? So you own it equally?

Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 16:05

We own the house equally. It isn’t mortgaged.

I know what would be best for me. But I can to reconcile that with destroying dh and upsetting my children so badly.

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Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 16:05

can’t reconcile

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RatherBeRiding · 25/09/2019 16:13

Destroying him? Well, he's made his bed hasn't he - treated you like a housekeeper/nanny for years.

And what about him destroying you - you don't have much of a life do you. More of an existence.

The children will get over it. Sounds like he's been an absent father pretty much all their lives anyway. Of course they will be upset but honestly you can't live like this. He's so controlling and has you exactly where he wants you - somewhere where you question nothing, do exactly what he wants you to do and have no life outside of keeping house for him.

If you stay simply because of the children, they won't thank you for it when they are old enough to realise how miserable you were and how much they sacrified for them.

NabooThatsWho · 25/09/2019 16:13

Your children will be fine. They will benefit FAR more from having a happy mum, than one who is miserable and controlled.
Don’t waste your life with this man.

Cuppa12345 · 25/09/2019 16:16

Divorce him and start living your life.

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 25/09/2019 16:23

Completely agree with the others who have said you need to leave him - make a life for yourself as you don't have a life with him. I don't subscribe to the view that divorce destroys the kids lives - I've been through it and the kids involved are far happier with two parents who are happy but now apart. I totally understand that it's a huge step however you're clearly not happy. You only get one life.

Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 16:24

Also I find my children are very appreciative of any tiny thing he might do. They tend to take me for granted - which is fine, it’s as it should be. But he is clearly very important to them as you’d expect.
To the outside observer I look to have it all.

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MyCatsHat · 25/09/2019 16:26

It will be better for your children too, in that you'll be modelling not putting up with a relationship you're not happy in, and showing them you can be strong and independent.

Also as PPs say he is outright abusive. You are married, you should have shared access to the money. And he has opted out of his share of childcare (because he should have a share at weekends, even if you are a SAHM) and treated you like a servant, AND he behaves threateningly, controls your social life ands has no respect or regard for you at all.

You don't in fact need any "good" reason to justify leaving to yourself - if it's over for you, it's over. But even so, you actually do have multiple very big reasons.

I would be very careful though as controlling men can turn nasty when left. Prepare in secret; try to get evidence of his salary and savings; talk to a lawyer about his controlling behaviour. As you're married he will have to share assets with you in a divorce - you should get more than half as you'll be resident parent - but you need proof of what all the assets are. Don't tell him about any of it, and make sure when you do finally tell him, you and the DC are safe.

And yes you do deserve better. And even being single would be a lot better than this.

Quartz2208 · 25/09/2019 16:27

No to the outside observer you are trapped in a gilded cage.

He is selfish to the core - your children will benefit from a happy mum and hopefully a Dad who steps up because at the moment he doesnt spend anytime

You want to leave - I say doi it

smemorata · 25/09/2019 16:27

‘don’t talk to me at the moment or I might do something I will regret.’ Which feels like a vague threat.

that sounds like a threat, not a veiled threat! TBH the whole situation sounds awful and I also feel quite scared for you reading your description. Please be careful.

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 25/09/2019 16:27

@cherriesandroses he can carry on being very important to them as he will still see them, in fact it will make him do more for them as you won't be there to pick up the slack!

I think you clearly want to be free of him but are finding excuses not to leave. Believe me I did that for many years before I decided that enough was enough.

Itallt0omuch · 25/09/2019 16:30

He's emotionally and financially abusive. You'd be better off without him.

Itallt0omuch · 25/09/2019 16:31

I would imagine your children are desperate for any crumb of affection or interest he throws their way. Which is why they idolise him and take you for granted, because they know you'll always be there for them.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 25/09/2019 16:34

You should divorce. But to be honest I'd play the long game to secure your future.
You need to work out how you will finance single parenthood.

AMAM8916 · 25/09/2019 16:44

Because there is no direct threat of violence, that's the only reason I'm saying this.

As PP above said, you need to make sure that you will be ok financially before ending it. You're a SAHM with zero financial say. You need to get a good idea of how things are such as if there's any debts, what savings there is, what pension he has etc so you know where you'll stand and what you'd be entitled to once you separate/divorce.

Knowledge is power when it comes to financially controlling spouses and the more you know, the better it will be. With 2 young kids to support and I imagine little input from him, you need to make sure you will be ok and be able to house the kids adequately etc

Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 16:49

I have some money that I inherited. It’s held in trust. He wouldn’t be able to get to it but I could use it in the short term.

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IceQueenCometh · 25/09/2019 16:58

That's no life OP and YANBU to want a divorce. HOWEVER make sure that you use all the time you have to yourself to seek very good advice from a very good lawyer and make your plans extremely carefully so that you get exactly what you deserve out of the divorce. He will do his best to make sure you don't, I promise you that!

crimsonlake · 25/09/2019 17:12

It does sound as if he has checked out, although from reading your thread it sounds as if he was never really there.
My ex was similar, controlled the finances and I was mainly a sahm having given up my career. We never rowed for similar reasons, he had a temper and I felt as you do.
I felt like a single mother whilst he enjoyed working late...a weekly night out and then often something at the weekends.
There was no companionship in our relationship and similar to you if one of the children were poorly he would not forgoo his nights out to help.
Basically a very selfish person and looking back I wonder why I let it go on. The fact of the matter was that I found him so boring with nothing to say that it made no difference whether he was there or not.
We divorced after 17 years. Like you to an outsider our marriage probably seemed good...although my mother used to call him ' hotel ' as he stayed out so much.
Looking back although I did not want my small children to come from a broken home I really do wish I had left him when they were little and started a new life for myself. It seemed impossible at the time, but realistically I could have returned to my career, many years later it was not possible.
I think ultimately being so unhappy and discontented in my marriage affected my health and well being as it was always going over and over in my mind.

Bucatini · 25/09/2019 17:31

You're not crazy OP. These are serious reasons - I was expecting something much more minor from the thread title.