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Am I crazy to want to divorce over this?

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Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 15:35

I’m 37 and I’ve been married for 15 years, together with dh since I was 20. He’s eight years older than me.
We have two dc, 11 and 3.

In essence our marriage has never felt right to me. I married too young and he has always been in ‘control.’ I am slightly wary of him as he has a temper - he holds it together most of the time but he will snap if challenged. He had a good job and a house when we met and the fact he was financially better off and older means that he’s always had the control.

I’m now a sahm but I have no access to finances and he makes all financial decisions.
We don’t row. He would say everything was great. But partly why we don’t is I will back down because I’m slightly scared of him. I have no reason to be exactly. He’s never been physically aggressive but he will say things like ‘don’t talk to me at the moment or I might do something I will regret.’ Which feels like a vague threat. He will hiss through his teeth and his whole face changes. I am scared of him but I don’t know why.

Also I’m so bored. I know that’s a terrible reason to want to divorce but I am. We have nothing in common. I don’t like his family or his friends. He has nothing to do with my family and friends (they don’t like him) and we have totally different values.
He plays golf every single Saturday all day and spends Sunday at his mother’s. I never factor him into our weekend plans. He works away a fair bit but also plays golf at least one night in the week. In the summer as many as three evenings a week. When he’s here he lies on the sofa watching television and says it’s his tv and he’s watching what he wants. My evenings are spent in silence with things like deep space nine on tv.

There is a small element of control, he is happy for me to go out with my friends sometimes but he won’t let me have a night away with them. On the other hand he has been away on numerous stag and birthday events, sometimes for several days. He also occasionally goes out with his friends and gets very drunk and stops at his mum’s after as she lives by them. He then spends all the following day in bed, this is rare though. Maybe only three times a year and I don’t begrudge him a night out with his friends.

I just want more than this. I don’t think he will ever provide it. It’s so selfish though isn’t it. The children will suffer. I know dh would feel very much that he provides financially for us and I’m just throwing it back in his face. He loves the children even if he spends very little time with them.
I feel like it isn’t normal to not have any time together as a family unit apart from the odd holiday. I don’t see him a single part of our family anymore if I’m honest.
In addition he’s only ever had both children on his own (apart from when they are in bed) once and he’s never taken either of them anywhere apart from to his mum’s and he’s taken ds to the cinema. Once. He does take ds to his hobby every few weeks but that just involves dropping and fetching. He’s never cooked a meal or put any washing on or anything in the house but that bothers me less as im a sahm. Although even when I wasn’t it was no different. He’s never done a night feed or changed a nappy (we are out of this stage now, thank goodness). He’s never given me a lie in once, even in the days when Dc were tiny and I’d been up numerous times in the night. I don’t feel like we are a partnership.
It’s more that I want more than this. On the other hand if I left him it wouldn’t necessarily improve things and it could be worse. He would be fuming and would absolutely cut me off financially which would be very difficult. He also wouldn’t leave the house.
It would be out the blue for him. He thinks everything is great. I’m volunteering at the moment now my youngest is at preschool, although she’s been off more than she’s been there as she’s picking up all the preschool bugs 🙄. But I’m hoping to find a paid job in the next few months. When I was working between the two dc and ds was ill it was always my job that had to give as it was ‘less important.’

Is it selfish to want more than this? To think that it should be more than this? I don’t know. Sometimes I think I’ve had enough and I need to go but the thought of how it will affect the children just destroys me.

OP posts:
finn1020 · 25/09/2019 22:39

Also think if this type of relationship dynamic is something you want for your kids as adults.

BringMeAGinandTonic · 26/09/2019 03:23

No he doesn’t. It’s not in my name at the moment. It’s been invested very carefully in case I ever needed it. My gran was aware of my situation.

Awww. What a sweet and savvy Gran. :)

I went through similar and at the time, I knew I was not happy but didn't know that that wasn't normal. I just assumed every couple had problems and that the EA I was experiencing was "normal". Only it wasn't and it took me years to see that.

Now that I am on the other side and not with my ex, I am not only far happier and in a loving, healthy relationship, but I will sometimes think of things here and there that further help me see how broken and unhealthy my previous relationship was. Thinking of these things helps me be grateful for what I have now.

Healthy, loving relationships are about sharing things (not only experiences, but chores too), being happy and making memories. There's laughing, loving, compassion and understanding. It sounds like you have none of these things and you 100% deserve all those things.

I just want more than this. I don’t think he will ever provide it. It’s so selfish though isn’t it. The children will suffer. I know dh would feel very much that he provides financially for us and I’m just throwing it back in his face. He loves the children even if he spends very little time with them.

It is not selfish. You deserve better. You really do. You deserve a loving relationship. And if he feels you're throwing it in his face, that's his problem.

Get in your power pose and go for it. Don't live your life unhappy. It's not worth it.

moomoomummy · 26/09/2019 03:57

please do talk to him and ask if he would come to counselling with you. He may be resistant at first but if he agrees to go , at least he is willing to try . If he refuses to come to counselling with you and you have explained how unhappy you are , then you have you answer. It will then not just be your responsibility for what happens next

1forAll74 · 26/09/2019 04:11

I think that you definitely have to talk to your husband about everything now. just absolutely how you feel about everything. Otherwise your resentment will grow and grow. You know your husband better than anyone, and he might well rubbish all that you say,but you have to think about yourself, as you are important as a wife, and Mother.

I don't think anyone on here, can tell you to leave,or stay. but it should make you stronger,if you can make some decisions for yourself about your life.

meccacos2 · 26/09/2019 04:42

Next time he does something that annoys you, tell him you want a divorce.

Him: “It’s daddy’s tv time now”

Response: “that actually doesn’t work for me and I want a divorce.”

Verily1 · 26/09/2019 04:55

This is domestic abuse.

It’s emotional abuse to expose your dcs to this.

I know it must feel overwhelming now but ending it is the inevitable way forward, the only question is how much longer you all suffer this.

Skittlesandbeer · 26/09/2019 05:00

Leave him to a lifetime of rewatching DVDs, like the family-averse saddo that he seems to prefer to be.

In fact, dont discount that he’ll be more of a father after you leave him than ever before. Once he has proper custody weekends, he’ll have to pull his finger out and learn parenting. The kids might well be planted in front of a screen, but he’ll have to be racing about sorting their food, washing, squabbles etc.

Sort out your finances, get professional help. Set a schedule for separating your lives, be realistic and very practical. Show him that the compliant baby of 20 has actually got brain and grit (probably had quite a bit back then, too). Deep breath, shoulders straight, get it done.

Sometimes it’s only when you see them pathetically scrabbling to claw back the power you gave them (through love) that you can see how powerless they really always were. Give your energy and selflessness to your kids and their future, they’ll actually thank you for it down the track.

ThePawtriarchy · 26/09/2019 05:05

Just being unhappy and leaving for no other reason than you want to is enough, but the fact he’s an emotionally and financially (and threatening physically!) abusive makes it a no brainer.

You should leave for the children, not in-spite of them.

DonKeyshot · 26/09/2019 05:23

moomoomummy Please be aware that counselling is NEVER advisable in cases where one party is abusing the other. If the OP were to follow your advice she would be on a hiding to nothing, and maybe a real life hiding if he isn't able to manipulate the counsellor by hiding his true colours.

Make contact with your nearest Women's Aid branch, OP, and ask them to recommend solicitors who specialise in cases such as yours. It may also help to talk your situation over with a WA worker as you don't seem to realise quite how abusive he is.

Click on this link to find your nearest WA branch: www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic-abuse-directory/

FredaFrogspawn · 26/09/2019 05:41

Please stop stop stop being so stereotypicallly 50s female.

His happiness simply isn’t your responsibility. Because - as you know and have spelt out - this isn’t a two way thing. Your happiness is not on his agenda. He cares about his own happiness quite enough for the two of you I promise.

He will shout and wail and all those things but he will still have pretty well everything he wants in his life - golf, Star Trek, mum, stag weekends. What will he have lost? His services. His house slave.

And what will you gain?

I left age 40 after 22 years. It was hard at times but my god the bliss of having control of your own life. The fantastic gradual realisation that you choose the music, the tv, the holidays, the food, the weekends. You enjoy your dc more not less because the whole house is so much more relaxed.

Almost twenty more years on and we are both remarried to people so much better suited to each other. We’re even friends now! ( But to be fair he wasn’t as abusive as your h is, just neglectful).

Move on.
Be happy.
It’s worth it in the end - you have so many years left and are hardly in your prime yet. Don’t leave it until the dc have gone and you are a sad, hollow facilitator on the edge of your own life.

Honeyroar · 26/09/2019 05:56

Do it for your gran, if you can't do it for yourself or need an extra push. Spend that money separating from him and getting yourself a life. She'd be over the moon.

joyceTempleSavage · 26/09/2019 06:04

dont discount that he’ll be more of a father after you leave him than ever before. Once he has proper custody weekends, he’ll have to pull his finger out and learn parenting

He really won’t

boujie · 26/09/2019 06:22

you would be crazy to not talk to him and tell him how you’re feeling and at least give him a chance to change.

This is bullshit. He's abusive and he's behaving in a way that he knows is not acceptable. You don't owe him any second chances or opportunities to change. Nobody forced him to be the way he is.

Yanbu to want to divorce this abusive bully who doesn't participate in family life. He sounds absolutely awful.

Pollydocket · 26/09/2019 06:39

You need to leave him, you know that. You just need some support to do that.
I was in a very similar situation and divorced. My life is lighter and I’m happy, very happy. I don’t need to tread on eggshells all the time.

When you finally find the courage everyone will tell you how they never understood how you tolerated him. You will be surprised, but then the fog will lift and you will see it all much more clearly.

You need something to spark it off. I’d suggest you stand up to him. The next time he puts Star fucking trek on, say no, Actually I want to watch X.
There will be an argument and then you can say this isn’t working for me.

Be brave, life is short and you have already done two life sentences in the gilded cage.

The children will be fine, he not really there anyway.

DonKeyshot · 26/09/2019 10:39

Do you have only the one tv in your house, OP? If so, buy another for your kitchen or bedroom and tell him you're off for some 'mummy time' as soon as he takes command of the remote.

It sounds as if your dc are pathetically grateful for the crumbs off his table. Do you realise that what they're learning in their formative years about the family dynamic is likely to be mirrored in their adult relationships?

Will you be happy if they couple up with selfish twats who treat them as if they're skivvies, or turn into their df and treat their partners with contempt?

Cherriesandroses · 26/09/2019 12:39

Only one tv. I can’t afford to buy another one.

I’m feeling very conflicted on everything. I don’t want to live like this but what if it’s worse if I leave. It could be. The children could be distraught. Dh distraught. It might take years to be right again.

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thedevilinablackdress · 26/09/2019 12:45

What is the point of him being in your life?
Would you want your DC to grow up and marry someone like this?
Stop showing them it's 'ok' to be treated like this.

yearinyearout · 26/09/2019 12:49

You would be unreasonable to stay married imo. He sounds a total horror show and you'd be setting a better example to your dc by not to allow this to continue. They will be happier with a more relaxed mum!

Skippety · 26/09/2019 13:00

Dear God.

So you need to figure out: can you buy a house with your 50% of current equity? What will his cms contribution be since the default position of him ever taking them over night based on current behaviour is not ever. 3. How long will your gran's money last you?

What do you want to work at yourself?

How much is his pension?

Other than that I would give him all the thought and care and attention he's given you for the last many years, i.e. zero. The kids will be fine.

Given you're scared of him i would make all your plans and then just do one. Threatening, selfish arsehole. What a scumbag.

Spudina · 26/09/2019 13:12

Seriously OP, screw this abusive arse. He is abusing you. This is no way to live. And no way to raise your children. It's such a poor model of relationships for them to see. Leave. For yourself. For your children.

Cherriesandroses · 26/09/2019 15:02

I could buy with half of this house plus the inheritance. It’s how I’d live afterwards - im job hunting right now.
I feel as though I am living a lie. Pretending everything is fine when it isn’t - but I maintain that is still the best thing for the children, splitting them between two homes feels massive and terrifying.

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chocolatesaltyballs22 · 26/09/2019 15:10

It is absolutely NOT the best thing for the children, I can 100% assure you! As others have said already, they will grow up thinking that this kind of behaviour is acceptable and they will likely repeat the same behaviours. Seriously OP, wake up and smell the roses.

Skippety · 26/09/2019 15:19

My parents are separated. The bit after the split was fine. What I'm still in therapy for is all the years together before the split. Terrible, toxic atmosphere, walking on eggshells. Seriously. Never kid yourself they can't tell. They are suppressing it and pretending it's all fine, just like you.

Cherriesandroses · 26/09/2019 15:21

I mean we have had some nice times. It’s not all been terrible. I just feel there’s an undercurrent of me being slightly scared of him all the time. But then he’s never hurt me so maybe it’s unfair.
I don’t like that his whole face changes. His eyes. His demeanour. He looks like another person. When we married his dad warned my dad that he had a nasty temper. But I mean dh has never been in fights or anything, I just feel wary. It all feels very unequal all the time.

OP posts:
Myriade · 26/09/2019 15:24

I don’t want to live like this but what if it’s worse if I leave.

And what if its better, much much better? what if living YOUR life wo being under the thumb of an abuser means that most of the issues you have are just disapearing? Just because you wint have to walk on eggshells all the time.
What if by leaving an abuser, you are teaching your children that women are strong, that they are able to hold bondaries and make themsleves heard and respected?
What if your dh being distraught is actually NOT you issue? esp as he has never cared if YOU were getting distraught by his behaviour?