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Am I crazy to want to divorce over this?

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Cherriesandroses · 25/09/2019 15:35

I’m 37 and I’ve been married for 15 years, together with dh since I was 20. He’s eight years older than me.
We have two dc, 11 and 3.

In essence our marriage has never felt right to me. I married too young and he has always been in ‘control.’ I am slightly wary of him as he has a temper - he holds it together most of the time but he will snap if challenged. He had a good job and a house when we met and the fact he was financially better off and older means that he’s always had the control.

I’m now a sahm but I have no access to finances and he makes all financial decisions.
We don’t row. He would say everything was great. But partly why we don’t is I will back down because I’m slightly scared of him. I have no reason to be exactly. He’s never been physically aggressive but he will say things like ‘don’t talk to me at the moment or I might do something I will regret.’ Which feels like a vague threat. He will hiss through his teeth and his whole face changes. I am scared of him but I don’t know why.

Also I’m so bored. I know that’s a terrible reason to want to divorce but I am. We have nothing in common. I don’t like his family or his friends. He has nothing to do with my family and friends (they don’t like him) and we have totally different values.
He plays golf every single Saturday all day and spends Sunday at his mother’s. I never factor him into our weekend plans. He works away a fair bit but also plays golf at least one night in the week. In the summer as many as three evenings a week. When he’s here he lies on the sofa watching television and says it’s his tv and he’s watching what he wants. My evenings are spent in silence with things like deep space nine on tv.

There is a small element of control, he is happy for me to go out with my friends sometimes but he won’t let me have a night away with them. On the other hand he has been away on numerous stag and birthday events, sometimes for several days. He also occasionally goes out with his friends and gets very drunk and stops at his mum’s after as she lives by them. He then spends all the following day in bed, this is rare though. Maybe only three times a year and I don’t begrudge him a night out with his friends.

I just want more than this. I don’t think he will ever provide it. It’s so selfish though isn’t it. The children will suffer. I know dh would feel very much that he provides financially for us and I’m just throwing it back in his face. He loves the children even if he spends very little time with them.
I feel like it isn’t normal to not have any time together as a family unit apart from the odd holiday. I don’t see him a single part of our family anymore if I’m honest.
In addition he’s only ever had both children on his own (apart from when they are in bed) once and he’s never taken either of them anywhere apart from to his mum’s and he’s taken ds to the cinema. Once. He does take ds to his hobby every few weeks but that just involves dropping and fetching. He’s never cooked a meal or put any washing on or anything in the house but that bothers me less as im a sahm. Although even when I wasn’t it was no different. He’s never done a night feed or changed a nappy (we are out of this stage now, thank goodness). He’s never given me a lie in once, even in the days when Dc were tiny and I’d been up numerous times in the night. I don’t feel like we are a partnership.
It’s more that I want more than this. On the other hand if I left him it wouldn’t necessarily improve things and it could be worse. He would be fuming and would absolutely cut me off financially which would be very difficult. He also wouldn’t leave the house.
It would be out the blue for him. He thinks everything is great. I’m volunteering at the moment now my youngest is at preschool, although she’s been off more than she’s been there as she’s picking up all the preschool bugs 🙄. But I’m hoping to find a paid job in the next few months. When I was working between the two dc and ds was ill it was always my job that had to give as it was ‘less important.’

Is it selfish to want more than this? To think that it should be more than this? I don’t know. Sometimes I think I’ve had enough and I need to go but the thought of how it will affect the children just destroys me.

OP posts:
Butteflyone1 · 26/09/2019 15:25

I bet you are waiting for him to actually hit you so you have a reason to leave. Please OP you must leave now. I know how you feel. I was with someone older and controlling and I was too weak to leave but you must leave before it gets worse.

Please make sure you leave safely. Speak to your friends and family and have a plan in case he does turn physical. You must put the safety of yourself and children first.

fedup21 · 26/09/2019 15:27

He is an arse and yes, you do really need to leave.

You need to get financially independent

Myriade · 26/09/2019 15:27

It's notbthat it FEELS unequal ll the tim. Its that it IS unequal all the time.
he cntrols the money. You cant say what you want, you are always careful not upset him. And he controls you just with the ay he looks at you.

Fwiw, hen you decide the leave, be careful, VERY careful. He has never hirt you until now and has not shown much of his nasty temper (well bar the face) because he hasnt needed to. As soon as he will feel things are changing (and he will, well before you tell him you want a divorce), he will turn nasty, just like his dad said he was/is all those years ago.

Cakecrumbsinmybra · 26/09/2019 15:40

Sounds awful OP, you would be justified.

crimsonlake · 26/09/2019 20:03

OP I hope you are listening to all the people who have taken their time to advise you. Somehow I do not think you are as you do not seem to be directly replying to any of it. You can spend your life thinking up excuses not to leave, perhaps deep down you really don't want to.

Alwayscheerful · 26/09/2019 20:23

You won't be splitting the children between two houses.
I am guessing he will carry on playing golf and dump the children with his Mum.

VeThings · 26/09/2019 21:48

If you can afford to buy a house with the 50% equity and the money stashed away, you’re already a step ahead.

Work on getting yourself a job and check out how much you would get in help - child benefit etc. If he’s employed, you’ll get maintenance (he might be better at hiding money if he’s self employed).

Don’t waste your life on this man and feel like you need to give him a chance - he’s had plenty. Your DC will be affected by the atmosphere - don’t think they’re not absorbing all this. Is this what you want for them when they’re adults? You and their dad are teaching them how a relationship works - this is not a good lesson to learn.

Also I think it’s easier to split when DC are young as it very quickly becomes their norm. They will be fine. In fact, more that fine, as you’ll give them a home without a repressive atmosphere.

DonKeyshot · 28/09/2019 03:04

As the primary carer of your dc, you can expect to receive more than 50% of the equity. I would look for a 80/20 split in your favour and settle for 70/30.

In addition, you are entitled to half of his pension and any financial assets accrued during your marriage together with child maintenance. I would suggest you also apply for spousal support until such time as you able to find employment.

Even though I rarely watch tv, I have more than a few scattered throughout the house. Now I come to think of it, there's one in every room except my bedroom, the dining room, and bathrooms.Blush

Let's put him to the test: the next time he takes over the remote ask him to buy a tv for the kitchen. Tell him you don't always want to watch what he's selected and you are often unable to join in with playground talk about last night's programmes.

Assure him that you're not looking for a mega expensive 5' model and £119 will buy a 24" Panasonic HD ready tv with freeserve and parental control from Argos.

This is a man who spends freely on himself - golf is not a hobby for paupers - and who travels freely while restricting your freedom. It will be interesting to know what his response is to a perfectly reasonable request on your part. If it's negative it can be used to support your contention that his behaviour is unreasonable and can be cited as an example of financial abuse and coercive control.

In what circumstances did your dad impart the information he was given by your h's father about his bad temper? Did your dad give you the heads up as soon as he'd got the low down, or did some incident or other cause him to repeat what he'd been told? Did you make any response when he told you and did this conversation take place before or after your marriage?

Solitarycaddis · 28/09/2019 03:46

Op I have just read the entire thread and I fear for you. I really do.

Read up on coercive control. Do NOT give him any hint or idea that you are thinking of leaving. His actions over many years say all there is to say. Do not attempt to talk to him about it. There is no point and it may endanger you. Warn a close circle of family and friends who can be trusted not to talk. Tell them you are afraid of him. Get some physically strong male relatives or friends on side for when you actually leave with the DC. Make preparations, gather documents, move in with family when you eventually go as this is the most dangerous time for an abused woman. Do not doubt for a moment that he could become violent. Hid own father knew him to be so. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!

cushioncovers · 28/09/2019 03:59

You won't be splitting the children between two houses.
I am guessing he will carry on playing golf and dump the children with his Mum.

Yep I'm guessing that's also what he will do.

cushioncovers · 28/09/2019 04:10

I left age 40 after 22 years. It was hard at times but my god the bliss of having control of your own life. The fantastic gradual realisation that you choose the music, the tv, the holidays, the food, the weekends. You enjoy your dc more not less because the whole house is so much more relaxed.

Yep me too.

It took a massive amount of courage and planning but it was the best thing I could have done. The kids are fine. My exh never did step up and become an active parent. He just carried on ignoring them for the most part and continued his life as it was before but he just asked his mother to do his laundry.

You will survive and most likely thrive if you get divorced op. It can be done but you just have to want to make that change badly enough.

wheretonow123 · 28/09/2019 04:24

Hi OP,
It really does sound awful and the weekends must be boring for you. Is there any intimacy between the two of you? Is there anyway to rekindle your sex life as I assume that it must be on the floor if your general relationship is as you describe it.

Is there any hobby that you can slowly pickup again or start? It would be good for your own mental health and could be the basis for something you could do if you leave him.

WERE YOU PREVIOUSLY Working ORKING? any chance of going back part time?

IdblowJonSnow · 28/09/2019 04:44

He sounds horrible and useless.
Your kids will be fine and if you leave soon your 3 year old won't remember.
This is an abusive marriage and I feel afraid for you.
Please tread carefully, get legal advice and make plans to leave asap.
I can't think of a single reason you should stay with him. And no, the kids aren't one because he's such a terrible role model.
And you're still so young! Flowers

Beccascales · 28/09/2019 05:02

If you feel like that and cant see it getting better then it sounds like you've drifted. Its harder married as with a boyfriend you likely would have broken up with him. I think talk to him about it. If that doesn't the spark and make him realise what he has then no point living unhappy. You sound like you want more. Sometimes admitting ans taking first leap is the most cathartic and meye opening thing. I dated a guy, similar sounding situation and it took me ages to leave him. Once I did and now I'm.so happy, I just wish I did it sooner! There are good guys ans happiness out there. Sometimes relationships just dont work out.

My advice- go with your gut. Its always right :)

Beccascales · 28/09/2019 05:04

I meant eye opening obvs. I honestly say leave him. People do not change.

Beccascales · 28/09/2019 05:05

Wow interesting to see most people say to leave him. It sometimes takes people.outside to help you. I think get it on the table legit and then the ball is rolling and will go one fo twonways. You will know in your heart in his response which way it should go.

Best of luck xx

notapizzaeater · 28/09/2019 09:02

He's not going to change, he has no need to. You are right where he wants you. Is there somewhere you can go ?

AlexaAmbidextra · 29/09/2019 22:18

Why do you keep saying that you can’t leave as he’d be distraught? I can tell you now, the only reason he’ll care is because he’ll have lost his power over you. He’ll no longer have a subservient slave to bully. He’ll be upset at his loss of control over you but he certainly won’t be distraught because he loves and will miss you. He clearly doesn’t give a shit about you or your feelings. He just enjoys having someone to dominate.

MzHz · 30/09/2019 10:55

Oh love! I came here after your other thread and have seen the warning his own dad gave your dad. :(

You have a bucket load of reasons to leave and not a single one to stay.

If your family support you, leave him. Just go, you’re his wife you have a lot of rights

CharlotteIsabella · 30/09/2019 11:13

You are not selfish or crazy. He is controlling everything as he is the only one who is earning. Have you tried talking to him or marriage counseling?
If nothing's working you may need to meet a lawyer.

AlexaAmbidextra · 30/09/2019 12:54

Have you tried talking to him or marriage counselling?

You should never have marriage counselling with an abuser.

EKGEMS · 30/09/2019 14:55

I'd have pulled a Mrs.Tiger Woods with his 5-iron on him by now if I were you

Sowingbees · 30/09/2019 15:08

Just to say why I agree with what everyone else is saying on here, I really understand what you have written and why you haven't left. I had to double check that I hadn't NC without realizing it. I'm financially fucked so have zero options apart from women's shelter and I won't do that as for the kids it's OK it's only me that is desperately unhappy. But if you have a nest egg start looking planning going. This is not living.

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