Why would you watch porn?

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How can anybody ENJOY seeing a woman being treated as a sex object? I watched some as research (seriously!) a few months ago, the general themes were men disrespecting women. it was focused on the mans pleasure and orgasm, why do some of you think that that's okay? There's NOTHING equal about this industry

Young men are getting weird and wrong ideas about women and how they should be treated from watching porn. Women are shown as sex OBJECTS, not human beings, they're shown as always being up for it, that basically using her as a wank-tool is enough to make her orgasm, that being selfish and focused on your own pleasure and orgasm is acceptable

I really want to hear some male opinions on this, it has been really upsetting me for a long time now and I feel powerless.

I know, NeoFaust, but the fact that you just don't get it means I'm wasting my time and the fact that you choose to concentrate on things like the hair colour and personality of porn actresses, your 'not all porn is like that!' remarks when actually what I have described are the running themes in mainstream porn and the conclusions you jump to from my posts even though I think I have put across plenty of straight-forward messages meaning there shouldn't be any need for comments like this- "C: That people should not be permitted to present themselves as sexual performers ("objects" in your parlance) in a limited context for money or their own amusement."
Just... what?!

Very helpful, RiverMan

I think with porn, it's just a case of "know your audience". The vast majority of porn is, I suspect, viewed by men. It's a masturbation aid, by and large. The women moaning with pleasure at the very sight of a cock is what the customer wants. Most right minded people recognise it as fake and nothing in relation to real life. Real life sex on dvd wouldn't really sell too many copies. Who wants to see a bloke fumbling around on top of his wife, half pissed, her losing patience at his clumsiness until she eventually says, "oh for fucks sake, give it here", then him propping himself up on his elbows and handing out half a dozen vinegar strokes, rolling over and farting?

I dont.

Never felt the need.

I'm not sure, even if the sex education given to young people was fantastic, they could still view porn every day and learn from that instead, just like people do now. The real answer would be for the patriarchal society that we live in to change, along with the misogynistic media so that the public would stop being brainwashed

Unless somebody 'cool' or somebody who they respect is trying to get the message across, they won't be the slightest bit interested. It's not just men that are to blame though. Lots of girls are influenced by the likes of Katie Price and those plastic dummies from the only way is Essex.

Blimey OP, you still here? Even the MN Royalty who popped in on their "Perv Patrol" got bored & stopped posting their letterbox views after the second page.

Either you like the sound of your own voice or you get paid every
time you type "Patriarchal" or "Misogynistic"....

I like sex, wanking and porn, I don't have sex with my wife as frequently as I would like and respect her right to say "no".

I don't read "erotic literature" or use my imagination because I don't live in the 1800's and I happen to appreciate the offerings that are a mouseclick away.

A large part of that is seeing people engage in (normal) sex - which involves both parties being treated as sex objects - male orgasms tend to be visible which is why the camera treats that as a climax.

Porn and the ramifications for society as a whole don't bother me in the slightest - it's a mean to an end for me & that's it. I don't buy porn and have ad-block software running so am not financing it by that means - a fully clear conscience here....

Anyway - hope that helps. Please don't bother trying to convert me as you'll be doing nothing more than wasting your time!

I think that if the message of consent is hammered home hard enough by sex education lessons much of the harm of porn (which I dispute, but is a premise I'll accept for the purpose of discussion) could be mitigated. If people accept that their partner has every right to refuse, why not use porn to garner ideas for mutually satisfactory experimentation. It's one of the things I've used it for; My girlfriend doesn't enjoy porn (too crude, not enough context) but has embraced the opportunities if offers to explore potential sexual activities. That's one of the main reasons I watch porn - to explore possibilities to share with my partners.

Going back to the opening post, in a monetary sense there isn't any equality. I was offered the opportunity to do porn over 20 years ago. The pay was £300-£400 a day for 5-6 days work. The women were paid £2000 a day.

TonyTheTiger, you sound absolutely great 'Porn and the ramifications for society as a whole don't bother me in the slightest'

Apparently, some of you watch/think you watch respectful porn which shows the woman and the man as equal. If that is even true then it still doesn't change the fact that mainstream porn is neither respectful nor equal

If that is even true then it still doesn't change the fact that mainstream porn is neither respectful nor equal

You can say the same about anything in society though: Hollywood films, magazines, newspapers, employment opportunities, division of labour, pay etc. all rife with male priviledge, i.e. disrespectful and not equal.

I suppose if you wanted things to change you should target your ire at the disrespectful stuff and leave those who enjoy the 'safe' stuff to enjoy it. Tarring everyone with the same brush tends get peoples backs up.

I think the biggest issue in porn is how violent it is/has become...

if it was just people being filmed having different kinds of sex I don't think it would have the same damaging , desensitising effects it has on men,
also its sad/worrying how many habitual porn users become very sexually incompetent, there was that program 'date my porn star' where a lad who was very promiscuous was also unable to finish ..26 years old FFS
Is this what is in store for future women?
hoardes of mentally warped young men who can't ejaculate without inserting a 10 inch dildo in someones arse whilst suspending them from the air ...
One way to control the population!!!

A lot of young people have seen porn from about the ages of 9 or 10 when their parents back off the internet controls. Many have probably seen it younger and it probably depends on each individual how it affects them. I think many young people are walking around in a constant state of mild trauma as sex is something that repulses most children so to see it so openly is probably quite disturbing. It's not just when they are in front of the screen, the trauma will be giving them flashbacks. Some will be afraid to look again, others won't.

I think as they get older, teenagers self-regulate and peers regulate each other. They work out what is acceptable from each other and learn to understand what is right and what's wrong.

The crazy thing about it is that they do this on their own. They have no adult leading them through it and those adults that do think they talk them through it or have an honest and open relationship with them are kidding themselves if they think that their children tell them what they have seen or what they might be looking at.

I think any children growing up to adulthood not believing that prostitution, pornography and the objectification of women are not perfectly acceptable, will be in the distinct minority. It is very very sad that we have almost got to the point of reaching gender equality and our own children will be growing up believing women are just toys for men's entertainment simply because we have been too scared and embarrassed to face it and address it.

I think we have to be prepared for our children to want to be porn stars when they grow up. As a society we have been completely negligent in tackling this.

although horse, I think parents of this generation will be much more tech savvy than certainly my parents/friends parents were so there is still hope.

i have 2 boys I dread when this happens.

Yes you are probably right. Now our politicians offspring are reaching the age of internet access things will change. Sadly they are still torn and tied by libertarian issues such as privacy laws. These hold back the prosecutors and anyone else trying to maintain any level of control over the internet.

It is marginally better than it was about 5 years ago in terms of pop-ups and search security, but there are other dangers hidden within the realms of online games which appear safe but aren't - like chat etc. Online forums are also dangerous as the traffic is too heavy to moderate effectively.

The children are always more tech-savvy than the parents.

Today's parents believe they have blocked access using parental browser controls and/or ISP parent control options. Today's teenagers bypass those by travelling via acceptably addressed proxy servers.

You can do a lot to prevent access by younger children who have limited technical skills, but the technical know-how is going to be within younger and younger children as time passes. Parents are technological dinosaurs next to children/teenagers.

Given:

• you can't stop the production of pornography (too geographically diverse)
• you can't stop the hosting of pornography (too geographically diverse)
• you can't stop the access to pornography (although you can make it more difficult)
• you can't easily spot access to it (if your child is more tech-savvy than you)

What's left? The only thing left is education and guidance. Despite this being an area talked about and promoted frequently, the content is too coy to be necessarily explicit about the range of material available online and how it relates to commonly acceptable realities.

RiverMan

Porn's influence is real. Sex education is the answer

Interesting link but there is lots of conflicting data out there.

www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6287772

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography