Why would you watch porn?

[AmIHumanYet]

How can anybody ENJOY seeing a woman being treated as a sex object? I watched some as research (seriously!) a few months ago, the general themes were men disrespecting women. it was focused on the mans pleasure and orgasm, why do some of you think that that's okay? There's NOTHING equal about this industry

Young men are getting weird and wrong ideas about women and how they should be treated from watching porn. Women are shown as sex OBJECTS, not human beings, they're shown as always being up for it, that basically using her as a wank-tool is enough to make her orgasm, that being selfish and focused on your own pleasure and orgasm is acceptable

I really want to hear some male opinions on this, it has been really upsetting me for a long time now and I feel powerless.

RiverMan, you can talk about the exceptions all day but that doesn't change the fact that the MAJORITY of porn is misogynistic, that mainstream porn sends the wrong message to the viewer, that is it hurting people etc.

While being treated as an object may be a turn on for some women, surely you agree that sex shouldn't just be centred on the mans pleasure and orgasm. I am talking about the MAINSTREAM porn, RiverMan and the general themes are that using a woman as a 'wank tool' is enough to make her scream in pleasure, that sex is for the mans enjoyment, that women are objects to be used for sex

If you really want a males opinion on this you would be on a more male dominated website not mumsnet.

Wait... 'If you want to deny the existence of porn that involves consenting humans, free from weird or violent sex acts, it's your shout. But it seems to be upsetting you.'
It's as if you haven't bothered to read my posts at all

Yet another mind reader... I would appreciate not being told what my own intentions are. This is the Dadsnet section, Backonthefence, the name would suggest that it is male dominated.

You might not have noticed but this place is pretty dead, there are threads from 2012 still on the first page, you would be lucky to see a post a week. There are very few men on this site and fewer that post with any regularity.

Any thread here which does receive a lot of attention is normally female dominated.

Anyway I wish you luck.

Backonthefence, I fail to see how that means I don't want male opinions..?
Any suggestions then?
Every male dominated forum I have been on has been full of misogynists and trolls (just my personal experience)

Well it's probably best I don't inflict those probable misogynists on you, or you on them. I have just read the thread and well I'm not sure you actually want opinions.

Sorry my mistake as you were.

All I have posted are my opinions, experiences and a few statistics. I do want to hear opinions but that doesn't mean I shouldn't express mine! If you have read the thread then you would have read the post where I describe my experience with the young victims of this culture, quite frankly I am surprised at your apathetic, irrelevant and petty response

If you have read the thread then you would have read the post where I describe my experience with the young victims of this culture, quite frankly I am surprised at your apathetic, irrelevant and petty response

If you're basing your opinions on your experience with the young victims of this culture then it isn't surprising you rail against it so much. Maybe there are significant numbers of porn consumers who aren't victims? Or at least not to the same scale (I think the performers is a different issue).

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I have come accross a similar attitude before. I used to work in a GP surgery in a deprived estate in an urban area. The drug users (herione, crack) who visited were definitely victims of that culture, unfortunately the Doctors who ran it only saw that side of drug culture. They preached complete abstinence without recoginsing the more prevalent drug culture in existence elsewhere e.g. the students getting pilled up for a club night, the professionals relaxing after a day at work with a smoke, the local hacks snorting lines while writing up their latest reporting. None of these impacted on the culture the Doctors and I saw at the surgery.

I just wonder whether you experience is limited to the really nasty results of the industry/consumer?

AmI you are never going to get a big response from men if your mind is made up and you won't listen to anything that anyone else says.

FWIW I agree with some of what you say but do watch some carefully chosen porn myself.

Not all porn is like you say although I agree that mainstream porn is produced by men for men and I am in agreement that it objectifies women far too much. However, I'm a woman and I watch porn from time to time so where does that leave me?

I get where you're coming from but you are a tad aggressive in responding to those that have posted.

BTW good post Riverman, I agree that not all porn is bad and in general I prefer erotic literature than mainstream porn. I think we should face up tot he fact that some porn can be a form of self expression and joy for some people if it's done right and we should support good porn producers rather than write off the entire gengre as you are doing AmI

*genre

Can't type

I just wanted to add to the debate, I am a woman who does enjoy gagging on my DP's cock - it makes me orgasm. I also enjoy having him spunk all over my face.

I have never watched porn.

These are just things I like, it's not weird.

I don't want to watch anyone being abused, but don't assume that because it's not something you enjoy that nobody else could possibly enjoy it either.

I'm not ignoring your points, I'm refuting your 'facts'. Different thing.

Porn doesn't dress itself up to be anything other than what it is. It's porn. The biggest danger to attitudes being shaped is Rap "artists" objectifying women in the guise of music and culture. Referring to them as bitches and ho's, treating them as trinkets to go along with the fast cars and big houses.

No, NeoFaust, you're making this up as you go along
for example- "C: That people should not be permitted to present themselves as sexual performers ("objects" in your parlance) in a limited context for money or their own amusement."

JustForThis
Fine, YOU enjoy it! That doesn't mean that women and GIRLS should be expected to or believe that they should! That doesn't mean that men and boys should expect women to.

Neiljames, I am going to have to disagree that that's the biggest danger
Firstly, not all young men and boys listen to that music or watch the videos, whereas men and boys with different tastes in those types of things view porn.
I agree that those messages in the music and videos are extremely damaging

Personally I think porn is less damaging than music videos. Yes, a some porn involves word-less humping, but that low-grade eastern european porn is only a part, not dominant. In quite a lot of porn, the women present a persona - artificial and very male-fantasy orientated, but an element that is as important as their body. Hardly simply an object.

Take Belladonna or Sasha Grey - neither fits into the old fashioned busty-blonde stereotype, but both are among the best known performers for the attitude they bring to the role. Artificial personalities most likely, but far from an empty headed victim.

Music videos just use women for window dressing, gyrating body parts to detract from the appalling lack of quality in the music. I think this is more demeaning.

But wait, JustForThis, do you have a clitoris in your throat?
Porn shows women screaming in pleasure and pretending to orgasm from things like which gives the viewer the idea that a mans pleasure is enough to make the woman orgasm which relates to my previous comment about mainstream porn being all about the male orgasm, using the woman as a tool for his enjoyment

NeoFaust, I think you're doing this on purpose, I'm going to choose not to engage with you in this thread because you ARE missing the points whether you think you are or not.
Yes, a woman can have an 'attitude' but still be objectified and still be a part of something that affects the viewer and the viewers sexual partners in a negative way.

The point I'm making is that the rappers are hero worshipped whereas the pornstars aren't. They are held up and portrayed as something young men and boys should aspire to be. They are shallow, materialistic and offensive yet they and their offerings are displayed on mainstream tv and they get richly rewarded for their efforts.

God, I'm sounding like a real old fart, aren't I? :)

Actually AmI my last comment was a rumination inspired by neiljames77. (Incidentally neil I'm under 30 and still appalled by the materialistic misogynistic drek in rap, so I guess I'm an old fart too).

I'm interested in what points you feel I am missing. Please elucidate them so that I can address them systematically. This is a subject I feel strongly about, so I welcome the opportunity for discussion.