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[BelfastBloke]

There are quite a lot of football fans on MN, and also loads of football-haters. If we hide here in Dadsnet, none of the detractors will find us. But if they do, they are welcome to come here and moan.

You don?t have to be male to post here, of course. (No-one would say women can?t post in the Dadsnet section, just like no woman would EVER say men aren?t welcome on Mumsnet?)

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1. Which team you support.
2. Which team(s) you loathe.
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BB

We are not 'just another job' to him ! How very dare you !

He has said a couple of times that the Spur's Fans have been amazing with regard to their support for him etc..... he wouldn't leave us, he wouldn't, I won't let him !

I repeat, why would he leave us for a bunch of has-beens ? Maybe he has realised he has his dream job ?

Compare and contrast the things he has said about the Spurs fans with what he said at the time about the Portsmouth fans, the Southampton fans, the West Ham fans...

(Arsenal) - PadDad
(Arsenal) - Saltatrix
(Arsenal) - DanFmDorking
(Arsenal) - BigGitDad
(Arsenal) - BelfastBloke
(Arsenal) - ColdTruth
(Birmingham) - GingerCat12
(Bournemouth)-GashInTheAttic
(Bradford City) - bobbyzee
(Brighton & Hove Albion) - GiveMeSomeSpace
(Coventry) - Truckulente
(Everton) - PresidentWensleydale
(Everton) - WhenSkiesAreGrey
(Hull) - BristolJim????
(Huddersfield Town) - Trublatmill
(Liverpool) - Binx14
(Liverpool) - cjdamoo
(Liverpool) - Justine MNHQ
(Liverpool) - TiggyD
(Liverpool) - RedDad
(Liverpool) - LurcioLovesFrankie
(Man Citeh) - Caron1968
(Man. Utd) - Pan
(Man. Utd) - Changingman
(Middlesbrough) - Iliad
(Millwall) - DaytimeDave
(Norwich) - Eeore
(Notts County) - Jenniferturkington
(Nott'm Forest) - MavisEnderby
(Preston North End) - Chippy47
(Reading)- GashInTheAttic
(Southhampton) - JetGirl
(Spurs) - Oblomov
(Spurs) - Whathappened
(Spurs) - MarsLady
(Spurs) - AVeryMerryPersonalClown
(Spurs) - MrsDeeBee
(St Mirren)-GashInTheAttic
(Sunderland) - KenDoddsDadsDog...
(Sunderland, Blackpool) - Purepurple
(Swansea City) - Deemented
(Wrexham) - Changingman

BB

Now you're just being mean

Of course Harry Redknapp should be the New England manager.

If anyone can lead the Patriots to the Super Bowl it?s him.

Very good, Dan!

This is the other main thread about Fabio and Redknapp. Can anyone link to any more?

used to like Dalgleish a bit. SAying Suarez shouldn't have been banned is an acute embarassment to the club.
Hey-ho. Off to pub to watch Utd thrash them. Hoping the crowd don't boo Suarez's evra touch.

well!

any comments on Old Trafford today, chaps?

It's all been said and done really hasn't it, Ponders? LFC are becoming a bigger disgrace by the day.

I think so, Pan

KD's Sky interview was appalling

at least AF had the grace to admit that Evra's celebration at the end should have been subdued.

It isn't often MUFC can claim any moral high ground. LFC deliver it to them repeatedly.
KD is an embarassment.

someone on sky's sunday supplement said they should either do away with handshakes, or fine anyone who doesnt do them, for bringing the game into disrepute

I read that Suarez could have been sent off for it. That would have led to an even more interesting game. If it has to be enforced it kind of misses the point though

Anyway I was glad to see the grovelling apologies today from LFC, KD & LS (even if the latter 2 probably required coercion...)

it's a dog's dinner isn't it?

I have only read LS's statement - interesting:

• it wasn't an apology, it was a statement of regret for the trouble caused by his lack of willingness to shake hands - trouble to LFC, KD and himself. No mention of Evra or MUFC or indeed football as a whole (mentioning his own racism would have been too much to hope for). He still doesn't see what he did wrong. (And neither does Kenny).
• it was a statement made under duress, fearing further FA action, which the club feared, and the reputational damage ensuing.

I think the handshaking thing is important - we did as junior players and it set a tone. To get rid of it is giving way to unseemly minorities and drags us back to a darker age.
And there are bigger things relevant here:

• professionalism. Players claim they are professionals, and that means lots of things, not least of which is adhering to a code of conduct, and sometimes ethics. Shaking the hand of someone you don't like is really small stuff as a professional.
• racism. It is still a big problem in this country and footie is beautifully positioned to lead the way in this. 1.popularity, so many black exponents (tho' few Asian). 2. finacially rewarding, black people can do really well in this industry unlike quite a few others 3. talent, a sort of meritocracy where skin colour doesn't count - results do. 4. Image and role-modelling for young black people - the last few weeks have dealt a bit of a blow to those talented non-white kids who may have thought that discrimination on the footie field is a thing of the past. Nope. They are still there (Suarez for eg) and they have their powerful defenders (LFC for eg).

Bit of a ramble..

I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened. I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.

that sounds like an apology to me! (even if it isn't sincere)

When I went on TV after yesterday's game I hadn't seen what had happened, but I did not conduct myself in a way befitting of a Liverpool manager during that interview and I'd like to apologise for that."

ditto

they are both apologies for their behaviour yesterday, which is the best we can hope for from the 2 of them

I agree with all you say about handshakes, sportsmanship, meritocracy etc. The Suarez/Terry incidents are very depressing

Well, no Ponders, LS - it falls waaay short. Just a sort of politiking which, as you say is prob. the best to be hoped for.
KD? - in the Sky interview he was being utterly dishonest about 'not knowing'. (so what did he think the scuffle in the tunnel at half time was about?). KD apologised for his interview conduct, which is the very least he could have expected to.

The more LFC dig, the more one wishes to take the JCB off them.

I can't imagine a French person watching that in Version Originale!

Yeah, really good. And Mark Strong continues to be brilliant in every film he's in. All those baddies were really good, I thought.

Don't some of the baddies make football references?

Mark Strong? Weelll.....no! It's a bit like Russel Crowe in Gladiator. All he had to do was look a bit mean, a bit 'hard', dismissive, short on emotional expanse, and have a bit of 'presence'. Lots of actors can do that. It's a sort of elevation of the undemanding and mediocre beyond it's due.
The baddie with the straggly ginger hair was pretty good though. Until he got shot. And even his death scene was touching.

All this handshake business sounds so trivial. I'm rather bored by it all.

But that goes against my belief that symbolism matters.

When I remember that, I agree with Pan: "I think the handshaking thing is important - we did as junior players and it set a tone. To get rid of it is giving way to unseemly minorities and drags us back to a darker age.
And there are bigger things relevant here:

• professionalism. Players claim they are professionals, and that means lots of things, not least of which is adhering to a code of conduct, and sometimes ethics. Shaking the hand of someone you don't like is really small stuff as a professional.
• racism. It is still a big problem in this country and footie is beautifully positioned to lead the way in this. 1.popularity, so many black exponents (tho' few Asian). 2. finacially rewarding, black people can do really well in this industry unlike quite a few others 3. talent, a sort of meritocracy where skin colour doesn't count - results do. 4. Image and role-modelling for young black people - the last few weeks have dealt a bit of a blow to those talented non-white kids who may have thought that discrimination on the footie field is a thing of the past. Nope. They are still there (Suarez for eg) and they have their powerful defenders (LFC for eg)."

Although up until Saturday I didn't agree with Pan about the way LFC had conducted themselves. I can understand if they genuinely believed Suarez was innocent, they would act that way, no matter what the legal ruling.

Saturday's events changed things. Because of symbolism.

Difficult isn't it? I liked LFC. I used to go when I was at Liverpool Uni for three years in the 80s.
The whole issue isn't confined to LS/KD/LFC is it? (tho' it's a real shame the managing Board couldn't stand up to the otherwise unassailable Kenny, and owners had to step in). And good to see MU wanting to draw one of these:
_ underneath it all.

and moving on...

really good to see Tevez coming back for MCFC........am sure there will be no fall out from the other players who have battled through the winter, keeping top spot (for now) whilst Carlos winters at home in the southern hemisphere. No, no problems.

Pan I was at Liverpool Uni too, early 90s. Used to go and stand on the Kop for £6 a go.

oh happy days, eh? It had excellent atmospheres, and it was really tempting to join in the singing, but loyalties dictated otherwise. V. odd one night standing on the Kop with a MCFC matey cheering them on, and being heavily advised by a Koppite that it was in our immediate health interests to desist. He didn't actually couch it in those terms though.