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MarieDeGournay · 12/01/2026 10:39

I've copied this over from the Feminism Sex and Gender Discussions board cos it's about Europe so relevant to us:
'Write to your PACE delegates to clarify misconceptions about conversion therapy bans and urge them to vote NO on the upcoming resolution to criminalise non-affirmative care.'
An urgent message from Athena Forum | Mumsnet

Here's a list of the Irish PACE reps
pace.coe.int/en/aplist/countries/21/ireland

From Wiki: The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) is the parliamentary arm of the Council of Europe, a 46-nation international organisation dedicated to upholding human rights, democracy and the rule of law.

You're doing a great job on women's rights so far, lads😡

edited to add that I should have checked first - this is not the EU, it's the Council of Europe and the UK as till members of the Council of Europe, so it's equally relevant for UK subjects.
Think twice, post once, eh?😒

MarieDeGournay · 16/01/2026 11:30

Have you seen this?
Schools must use students’ preferred name and pronouns, says new trans rights guide – The Irish Times

Depressing, and worrying for women's rights.
What a contrast to our neighbours across the Irish Sea, where the tide seems to be turning against the unrestricted proliferation of gender ideology.

It's totally outrageous that it was written by TRAs:
The guide is produced by the Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) with support from the State’s human rights watchdog the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission.
It was written by members of Teni and Shoutout, organisations which lobby for trans and LGBTQI+ people, with support from ICCL staff and legal advisers.

How on earth can it be considered appropriate for a state-backed guide to be produced by obviously biased activists?

Depressing, depressing, depressing. Especially because the biggest-profile opponent of 'this kind of thing' is....... Enoch Burke!
We need to find a way to oppose gender ideology from what could be called, for shorthand, the 'centre' and 'left'.

I know these are vague and debatable labels, but you know what I mean - not groups that oppose gender ideology as part of a whole package of social issues like immigration and religion, rather than a primary commitment to women's rights.

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/01/2026 12:58

It's seems that the more the UK (and the 'wrong' kind of US govt) loosens up and reverses on this issue the more the bien pensant of the Irish political & NGO class (and the EU crowd) decide to double down on it in response 🤷‍♀️

They have been made aware than the electorate does not respond well to measures like this but they do not care. I would also argue that, for the political/NGO class, measures like this, and the other unpopular measures on immigration and religion, are part of a package and reinforce each other. Their commitment to one of these elements displays their commitment to all the other elements of the omnicause.

MarieDeGournay · 16/01/2026 16:50

I feel really frustrated because the Darlington judgement is an absolute model of clarity and reason on the subject of single sex spaces e.g.

431
The reference to ‘men’ and ‘women’ in the 1992 Regulations must, in our judgement, be interpreted harmoniously and consistent with ‘sex’ and ‘men’ and ‘women’ under the Equality Act. This was not seriously contested by Mr Cheetham, who conceded that this ‘may’ be the case. Parliament cannot, in 1992, prior to legislating for transgender recognition, have intended those words to bear any meaning other than biological sex.

but because the concept of biological sex has been written out of Irish law, that totally logical interpretation could not be made here.

It all points back to the GRA and how it has undermined logic and fairness and equality and justice, and just plain 'cop-on'!

edited to add that the Darlington judge is called Séamus Sweeney and is Irish [Northern]. Helen Joyce is Irish. Fiona McAnena of Sex Matters is Irish, I think.
They are all bravely saying the right things and fighting the good fight, but not here😞

MaeveofConnaught · 16/01/2026 19:26

Ireland will be the last Japanese soldier, to paraphrase Helen Joyce.

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DeanElderberry · 17/01/2026 08:18

It's the same mode of thinking that led the respectable class to avoid any diversion from following traditional formal social and religious practice (in contrast to many of the people within the church).

Don't expect them to interrogate their beliefs, it hurts their poor brains.

Gender and ancient Irish paganism are the new makey-ups everyone has to believe in.

Abhannmor · 20/01/2026 09:48

@DeanElderberry I have long been fascinated by Irish paganism and pre Christian beliefs in general. By now I have read hundreds of books on the subject and an currently dipping in and out of Máire MacNeill's massive tome The Festival of Lughnasa.

But I know exactly what you mean. The internet is chock full of rubbish and New Agey fantasies now. People , often Americans, project whatever they want onto Celtic Mythology. And it seems to dovetail with groups who are taken by gender woo. This is all the stranger given the importance of the female principle in actual paganism. The Mother Goddess was not a ' womb haver' or a ' pregnant person ' ffs.

MarieDeGournay · 21/01/2026 15:18

Irish judge refused to use preferred name of transgender child in State care

'The judge reportedly said that professionals working with the child were placing “too much reference on the transgender issue… without underlying issues being addressed”.

BelongTo thinks that's a bad thing. I think it's heartening evidence that some judges are thinking and acting based on biological reality not gender ideology.

Does anybody know who the judges in question are? They deserve praise and support.

MarieDeGournay · 21/01/2026 20:31

I've just emailed our reps about the proposal to ban 'conversion practices', into which they have shoe-horned criminalising anyone who refuses to follow 'gender affirmation' for children.

It's really easy - this page has a template which you can edit - I changed it almost completely, I made it less wordy and more about the damage to children of imposing a questionable label like 'trans' while they are going through a not unusual phase of confusion about sex and gender. And that the resolution has stuck together two different issues: converting lesbian and gay people, which is clearly wrong, with gender affirmation.

And I threw in A Chara and Mise, le meas😄

Then all you have to do is select Ireland from the drop-down menu, click to give permission for Athena to send it to our reps, and it's done.
Your voice matters: write to your PACE delegate! - Athena Forum

MarieDeGournay · 24/01/2026 11:47

The Countess's swerve into immigration politics has 'broken' on the Feminism Sex and Gender board
The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls | Mumsnet

and seems to be well received by the posters so far😕
I've posted that I no longer support The Countess because of this change of direction, I expect to get lots of flak for being a woke liberal or something for not wholehearted agreeing that Europe Is Being Swamped and non-Irish men are the biggest threat to Irish women.

Any support would be welcome, if anybody feels like joining in, it's OK if you don'tSmile

The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls | Mumsnet

*Irish people are being forced to accept policy that transgresses fundamental boundaries and treats nature, identity, culture, family, and nationality...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5480506-the-countess-womens-rights-group-in-ireland-report-on-immigration-effects-on-women-girls

miri1985 · 10/02/2026 12:37

This is just a post so I can report it and contact MNHQ and ask them to unblock my post above. Anyone know, is it that I linked from breakingnews.ie?

MarieDeGournay · 11/02/2026 11:02

Thanks miri1985.
I hadn't seen any reports about this - I think many?most? news outlets in Ireland prefer to ignore anything trans, it saves them the bother of having to take an editorial position🙄
Well done to breaking news for referring to the taxi driver as HE !

On a different subject:
There's an online survey about the future of education, which includes the possibility of uploading up to 1000 words of a personal submission.
I completed it, and in my submission wrote about human skills and knowledge in an AI world, but I also put in a few lines about the importance of STEM, and the need to keep science teaching factual and not follow fads, e.g. human sex is binary and can't be changed, and that's what should be taught in schools.
Convention on Education and National Conversation

The future of education interests me a lot, so I enjoyed taking the survey; I would have liked some different, deeper questions, but I used the submission for that.

It asks your 'gender' but there's a space where I was able to write 'gender is an undefined term. My sex is female'

Convention on Education and National Conversation

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-education/campaigns/convention-on-education-and-national-conversation/

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 15/02/2026 11:12

Not sure if it's already been highlighted on this board but there's a conference coming up in Dublin on 7th March which I am very much looking forward to. this is the link to buy tickets

Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4
BruachAbhann · 15/02/2026 16:42

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 15/02/2026 11:12

Not sure if it's already been highlighted on this board but there's a conference coming up in Dublin on 7th March which I am very much looking forward to. this is the link to buy tickets

Thanks! I will definitely go to this!

It was heartening to read some sense being spoken in the Irish independent today by Brenda Power. She is speaking out about the media's portrayal of the Tumble Ridge shooter in Canada as 'female'.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/brenda-power-if-male-murderers-like-the-canadian-shooter-are-described-as-female-crime-statistics-are-meaningless/a853805664.html

Brenda Power: If male murderers like the Canadian shooter are described as female, crime statistics are meaningless
Agenda being stealthily advanced by media and political cowardice must be challenged

Since 1979, there have been just two school shootings carried out by teenage females in the United States, claiming a total of four lives. There have been none in Canada.
So the news, as reported by RTÉ’s Morning ­Ireland last Wednesday, that a woman had shot dead eight people in a Canadian school was shockingly historic for two reasons. Not only was it one of the worst school shootings in that country’s history, but also the deadliest ever, in North America, by a teenage female.
You would think, then, that as a trusted news organisation RTÉ would have hastened to clarify this alarming development for its listeners the following morning. Because the shooter — curiously described in initial reports as “a female in a dress with brown hair” — was not a “woman”, but a man identifying as a woman. But RTÉ continued to refer to the shooter as a ‘she’.
The 18-year-old, Jesse van Rootselaar, had apparently begun “identifying” as a woman some years earlier. It also emerged that he had multiple mental health issues and had previously been prescribed antidepressant and antipsychotic medication.

Most, including in our own media, used female pronouns to describe the killer, for fear of misgendering a multiple murderer, or else referred to him as “the gunperson”.
There was something of a false dawn last April when the UK ­Supreme Court issued a landmark ­ruling decreeing that women are biological females, not men in dresses.

Initially, Sinn Féin’s health spokesman David Cullinane welcomed the ruling as “common sense” and suggested it should be “examined in this State”.

Perhaps he had briefly forgotten his party leader, who has spoken publicly about her relationship with her trans sibling, might take a different view, because the next day he deleted the post, apologised and ­referred to a “complex issue”.
Since then, efforts to deny, ignore and countermand that court statement of a basic biological fact, and substitute ideology for reason, have been relentless, nowhere more so than in Ireland.
The rights of men to invade spaces and facilities where women are vulnerable — refuges, rape crisis centres, changing rooms, prisons, toilets — are being stealthily advanced by media and political cowardice.
Replying to Claire Byrne’s ­suggestion that RTÉ was fearful of tackling the trans issue, director ­general Kevin Bakhurst recently denied failure to cover it was a “loss of nerve”, and said they simply had “more important” matters to ­cover.

Let’s see if that’s true, taking that UK Supreme Court ruling as an example. I looked back at Morning ­Ireland’s news coverage from the day after, April 17, 2025. Those more important issues included a wildlife charity making plans for orphaned animals, the sale of a taxi app and US secretary of state Marco Rubio’s visit to Paris.
Human beings cannot change sex
Notably neglecting any follow-up on the seismic tragedy of a ­female school shooter in Canada, last Thursday the national broadcaster’s flagship news programme’s “more important issues” included a warning not to eat a parsnip-like plant called “Dead Man’s Fingers” if you find it on Laytown beach.
There was markedly little political pushback against a clear exercise in “misinformation” by a state-funded NGO, the Irish Council for Civil ­Liberties, last month when it produced a document wrongly suggesting that Department of Education guidelines obliged schools to use ­pupils’ “preferred pronouns” if they were transitioning.

News in 90 seconds, Sunday February 15
In fact, no such guidelines existed, although the department has now commissioned a policy review by researchers in Maynooth University.
Given that Maynooth’s own guidelines decree that “every effort should be made” to use preferred pronouns, and a prompt apology and “adjustment” of language must ensue if you get it wrong, I’m not holding out much hope for the new regime to reflect the Cass Review finding that using a young person’s preferred pronouns was “not a neutral act”.

Human beings cannot change sex, and indulging confused children in the belief that they can do so is ­arguably abusive. The Canada shooter was just 12 when he “transitioned”.

Dr Hilary Cass speaking about the publication of her report. Photo: PA
Dr Hilary Cass concluded that facilitating “social transition” made it more difficult for children to grow out of their distress and pushed them towards lifelong medication and surgery.
But that, it seems, is the path upon which our education system is set. Children and women are the primary victims of this quasi-religious movement, which essentially proposes that gendered souls can somehow end up in the “wrong” body.
Last week, the European Parliament passed a resolution trashing the UK Supreme Court ruling and calling for “the full recognition of trans women as women”, guaranteeing them ­access to female single-sex spaces.
Couched in a “status of women” declaration, there’s no mention of trans men — only women are to be relegated to the status of sub-species, being lesser, penis-free males.

If males are also females, and women have penises and prostates as well as breasts and cervixes, then there is no such thing as women’s healthcare. If male murderers are recorded as female, then crime statistics are meaningless. If males can compete against women as boxers and swimmers, then women’s sport ceases to exist. But what matter so long as men’s feelings are prioritised at all costs?
You’ll hardly be surprised to hear that six Irish female MEPs voted to give biological males all possible access to safe female spaces on demand.

Germaine Greer said that women have no idea how much men hate us. Not half as much, it seems, as we hate ourselves.

Brenda Power: If male murderers like the Canadian shooter are described as female, crime statistics are meaningless

Since 1979, there have been just two school shootings carried out by teenage females in the United States, claiming a total of four lives. There have been none in Canada.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/brenda-power-if-male-murderers-like-the-canadian-shooter-are-described-as-female-crime-statistics-are-meaningless/a853805664.html

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 15/02/2026 17:35

Thank you for posting that @BruachAbhann I tried to read it this morning but it was behind a paywall!

Fair play to Brenda she's a lone voice really isn't she. I'm feeling very despondent since that EU vote I have to say. I had thought the tide was turning but am back to being worried and quite hopeless.

BruachAbhann · 15/02/2026 18:47

I feel the same @LifeInAHamsterWheel. It will be good to go to that conference though.

I wrote a letter of complaint to the Irish Independent yesterday about their coverage of the Tumbler Ridge shooting as I felt I needed to do something. It was great to read Brenda's article. I know it wasn't as a result of my complaint or anything but I felt happy that I was adding to her voice at the newspaper.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/02/2026 18:59

BruachAbhann · 15/02/2026 16:42

Thanks! I will definitely go to this!

It was heartening to read some sense being spoken in the Irish independent today by Brenda Power. She is speaking out about the media's portrayal of the Tumble Ridge shooter in Canada as 'female'.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/brenda-power-if-male-murderers-like-the-canadian-shooter-are-described-as-female-crime-statistics-are-meaningless/a853805664.html

Brenda Power: If male murderers like the Canadian shooter are described as female, crime statistics are meaningless
Agenda being stealthily advanced by media and political cowardice must be challenged

Since 1979, there have been just two school shootings carried out by teenage females in the United States, claiming a total of four lives. There have been none in Canada.
So the news, as reported by RTÉ’s Morning ­Ireland last Wednesday, that a woman had shot dead eight people in a Canadian school was shockingly historic for two reasons. Not only was it one of the worst school shootings in that country’s history, but also the deadliest ever, in North America, by a teenage female.
You would think, then, that as a trusted news organisation RTÉ would have hastened to clarify this alarming development for its listeners the following morning. Because the shooter — curiously described in initial reports as “a female in a dress with brown hair” — was not a “woman”, but a man identifying as a woman. But RTÉ continued to refer to the shooter as a ‘she’.
The 18-year-old, Jesse van Rootselaar, had apparently begun “identifying” as a woman some years earlier. It also emerged that he had multiple mental health issues and had previously been prescribed antidepressant and antipsychotic medication.

Most, including in our own media, used female pronouns to describe the killer, for fear of misgendering a multiple murderer, or else referred to him as “the gunperson”.
There was something of a false dawn last April when the UK ­Supreme Court issued a landmark ­ruling decreeing that women are biological females, not men in dresses.

Initially, Sinn Féin’s health spokesman David Cullinane welcomed the ruling as “common sense” and suggested it should be “examined in this State”.

Perhaps he had briefly forgotten his party leader, who has spoken publicly about her relationship with her trans sibling, might take a different view, because the next day he deleted the post, apologised and ­referred to a “complex issue”.
Since then, efforts to deny, ignore and countermand that court statement of a basic biological fact, and substitute ideology for reason, have been relentless, nowhere more so than in Ireland.
The rights of men to invade spaces and facilities where women are vulnerable — refuges, rape crisis centres, changing rooms, prisons, toilets — are being stealthily advanced by media and political cowardice.
Replying to Claire Byrne’s ­suggestion that RTÉ was fearful of tackling the trans issue, director ­general Kevin Bakhurst recently denied failure to cover it was a “loss of nerve”, and said they simply had “more important” matters to ­cover.

Let’s see if that’s true, taking that UK Supreme Court ruling as an example. I looked back at Morning ­Ireland’s news coverage from the day after, April 17, 2025. Those more important issues included a wildlife charity making plans for orphaned animals, the sale of a taxi app and US secretary of state Marco Rubio’s visit to Paris.
Human beings cannot change sex
Notably neglecting any follow-up on the seismic tragedy of a ­female school shooter in Canada, last Thursday the national broadcaster’s flagship news programme’s “more important issues” included a warning not to eat a parsnip-like plant called “Dead Man’s Fingers” if you find it on Laytown beach.
There was markedly little political pushback against a clear exercise in “misinformation” by a state-funded NGO, the Irish Council for Civil ­Liberties, last month when it produced a document wrongly suggesting that Department of Education guidelines obliged schools to use ­pupils’ “preferred pronouns” if they were transitioning.

News in 90 seconds, Sunday February 15
In fact, no such guidelines existed, although the department has now commissioned a policy review by researchers in Maynooth University.
Given that Maynooth’s own guidelines decree that “every effort should be made” to use preferred pronouns, and a prompt apology and “adjustment” of language must ensue if you get it wrong, I’m not holding out much hope for the new regime to reflect the Cass Review finding that using a young person’s preferred pronouns was “not a neutral act”.

Human beings cannot change sex, and indulging confused children in the belief that they can do so is ­arguably abusive. The Canada shooter was just 12 when he “transitioned”.

Dr Hilary Cass speaking about the publication of her report. Photo: PA
Dr Hilary Cass concluded that facilitating “social transition” made it more difficult for children to grow out of their distress and pushed them towards lifelong medication and surgery.
But that, it seems, is the path upon which our education system is set. Children and women are the primary victims of this quasi-religious movement, which essentially proposes that gendered souls can somehow end up in the “wrong” body.
Last week, the European Parliament passed a resolution trashing the UK Supreme Court ruling and calling for “the full recognition of trans women as women”, guaranteeing them ­access to female single-sex spaces.
Couched in a “status of women” declaration, there’s no mention of trans men — only women are to be relegated to the status of sub-species, being lesser, penis-free males.

If males are also females, and women have penises and prostates as well as breasts and cervixes, then there is no such thing as women’s healthcare. If male murderers are recorded as female, then crime statistics are meaningless. If males can compete against women as boxers and swimmers, then women’s sport ceases to exist. But what matter so long as men’s feelings are prioritised at all costs?
You’ll hardly be surprised to hear that six Irish female MEPs voted to give biological males all possible access to safe female spaces on demand.

Germaine Greer said that women have no idea how much men hate us. Not half as much, it seems, as we hate ourselves.

Wrt the ICCL guidance on use of pronouns in schools, there was an interview on, I think, Newstalk, with Donal O'shea, the clinical lead for the national gender service. So a man who has worked with, and facilitated transition for, trans people for many years. He disagrees with social transitioning of children and teens. His concern was protecting "gender-questioning" youth from being forced into premature permanent identities before they have fully explored their situation.

Why is nobody listening to him? Surely his experience warrants consideration?

MarieDeGournay · 15/02/2026 21:08

OchonAgusOchonOh · 15/02/2026 18:59

Wrt the ICCL guidance on use of pronouns in schools, there was an interview on, I think, Newstalk, with Donal O'shea, the clinical lead for the national gender service. So a man who has worked with, and facilitated transition for, trans people for many years. He disagrees with social transitioning of children and teens. His concern was protecting "gender-questioning" youth from being forced into premature permanent identities before they have fully explored their situation.

Why is nobody listening to him? Surely his experience warrants consideration?

He's been one of the voices of reason for years now, he somehow manages to keep his job, although 'being reasonable' would be the last thing you'd expect of the clinical lead for the national gender service!

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/02/2026 14:16

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 15/02/2026 11:12

Not sure if it's already been highlighted on this board but there's a conference coming up in Dublin on 7th March which I am very much looking forward to. this is the link to buy tickets

I would love to be able to attend - I hope they livestream or post video of the various sessions online 👍

Edited: spelling & grammar

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 16/02/2026 14:25

They've not disclosed the venue yet, I'm presuming they are trying to avoid protests by TRAs. I bought two tickets my mum in her 70s wants to come with me ❤️ I will report here afterwards in case anyone is interested and couldn't make it

BruachAbhann · 16/02/2026 18:18

I bought a ticket today too. My sister might join me if she can make it.

purplepizzabunny · 22/02/2026 13:55

Has anyone seen this? Reposting a comment that calls for all Africans to be deported. Utterly vile stuff

Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4
OchonAgusOchonOh · 22/02/2026 15:49

purplepizzabunny · 22/02/2026 13:55

Has anyone seen this? Reposting a comment that calls for all Africans to be deported. Utterly vile stuff

That is horrendous. I must say, I am shocked that this is where the countess is now.

Genesis1v27 · 22/02/2026 16:09

There are some letters in today's Sunday Independent following Brenda Power's piece last week:

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/letters-as-the-mother-of-a-child-who-identifies-as-trans-i-wish-society-could-have-a-more-open-debate/a1263496408.html

The page should be fully readable, but it is also on the usual archive sites.

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