Sphe 'irish family'

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Has anyone seen the gript article that sphe books have Irish family v multi cultural...it's absolutely nuts if true

I feel I clarified my post re the free book scheme in my post @10.48ish

The government most definitely did not fund school books for this sole purpose of course not

However based on past history it is not conspiracy theory to suspect that an activist could have taken advantage of the opportunity to advance their cause

The past history is a video discussing how self Id was snuck after the SSM referendum.

A poster posted a link in another thread but I have but unable to find it or remember the poster.

With my 3 colleagues with children in secondary all 3 got the books last Monday 2nd when they started/returned to school.

Maybe now the expense of school books is not on parents they may not have regular new editions, meaning replacement of books.

I found the thread it is self ID snuck in back the original video however has been changed to private so not viewable anymore

I know how self id came about @DublinFemale.
I still think some of the places this thread has gone are a bit mad.

A government conspiracy regarding the book scheme was certainly being alluded to earlier in the thread.
"The free book scheme seemed to be a good thing but it is looking more insidious.
Lesson to be learned government don't do anything for the greater good."

And a pp referred to the prospect of banning mobile phone use in schools as 'sinister'.

Yes, there are problems, we all know that - the original point of the thread as an example -
but there are some wild imaginings going on here too. A bit of focus would be good.

@Lightfromtheoak

It was me that said that and I believe I explained myself in my next post @10.48 yesterday.

It is very plausible that activist used the opportunity to sneak this in.

Based on government history this is not beyond the realm of possibility

Also for all why is it only in the English version, the whole chapter is not in the Irish edition.

If this the curriculum why is it not in both version.

The curriculum is the curriculum is the curriculum.

If English speaking schools are telling children teaching this about Irish culture why isn't the Irish version teaching the same?

Ok, I've lost track of who said what, sorry.

Your 10.48 post just says parents mightn't see the books as much now the free book scheme is operational.

I take it you think that was a deliberate ploy so?

Parents can see the books if they're interested . The only difference is they don't purchase them and have them at home before school starts in Sept ( though as I say ours were collected from school anyway to be labelled, but not all schools will do this). They still come home for homework. Also, they're available online when your child has the code (from the hardcopy). Or just ask your child to bring home any particular book of interest some evening.

Yes, that is certainly an interesting question and I'd like to know tge answer to that.
Maybe the translators had a bit of sense? I don't know. Hope it's investigated and we find out.

No it isn't a conspiracy as such. They tend to be organised in secret whereas this nonsense is very upfront - apart from the odd decision to remove this chapter from the Irish language version of the book.

Neither is it a literal new religion. More a secular cult? It does have many features shared by traditional religions though. Mantras , excommunication for heretics and a sacred caste who cannot be questioned or criticised. We , of all people, are quite familiar with these little rules and pieties.

Perhaps the authors thought that Irish speakers would take more offence at these stereotypes of our culture? They probably imagine Gaeilgeoirí as the ultimate form of Oirish peasant.

I think they felt it was pointless to put in the Irish speaking version.
The whole point of it was to make Irish children feel awkward, embarrassed & inferior in multicultural classrooms.

As I have said not all children got the books in August.

And when my kids in school there was no homework as such from SPHE, pastoral care as it was called then do no reason for book to come home once they got lockers.

I do believe someone saw an opportunity and took it.

If this was not deliberate it should have been in both versions.

There is no reason to exclude it if it to be taught as part of the curriculum.

That's my feeling, more chance of different cultures in English speaking schools than Irish speaking schools, do more opportunities to demean Irish culture.

My family and I tick at least half the boxes

Red hair
Self employed
Farming background
Several family members play Gaa
Love bacon and cabbage

Should we be ashamed?

I was talking specifically about how some pp have seen sinister motivations in the free book scheme and in the proposals to lessen smartphone use in schools @Abhannmor.

That's talking it too far imo, whatever your opinion on the sphe chapter that's the subject of this thread (which I agree is appalling btw). Or on the way trans ideology is being taught to kids (which has far too much activist imput imo).

But I think linking the book scheme or possible phone bans to that, as some pp have done, is crazy. It's not all a plot.

Input I mean. Too late to edit.

I think the whole gender shite is going out of fashion with the teens eg pronouns are now "cringe" & the activists are trying to get a foothold whatever way they can.

Apart from this way of thinking having a negative effect on children's mental health, the lack of trust you can see on this thread is another major symptom. It is doing massive damage to public institutions.

If an institution is being used by ideologues as a vehicle to shove the new religion down people's throats, trust is lost and eventually over time that institution is no longer fit for purpose. National Women's Council of Ireland is a prime example of this.

Apart from the offensive stereotypes used in that lesson, what was the overall purpose of that lesson? To teach children to judge their class mates? Why does anybody need to have an opinion on what somebody else is having for their feckin dinner!? The only purpose I could see in it was indoctrination.

I don't believe that could be put in a text book without oversight. I know they pulled it quickly when it got attention but to my mind, this and other issues create a lack of trust around what influences and agendas are at play here.

I was happy enough to get the free school books as well this year but I'm sending them for education not indoctrination and there needs to be trust in that system. At the end of the day it's the public who are paying for that education as well as the books and the Department need to be accountable to us rather than to activists

I hope so!!

Oh dear, honestly it's not looking good for ye is it?

Maybe if ye recite a few rosaries of 'trans women are women' and clock up some air miles ye could redeem yourselves from your bigotry?

I think this is a good point.
This is aimed at classrooms where there are more mixed nationalities and cultures.
It was probably intended as a way of saying being Irish in 2024 is something different to what it had been in the past and that new immigrants and cultures should also consider themselves Irish.
But it was clumsily done and was extremely insulting and sneering of traditional Irish culture and traditions in favour of the more progressive multicultural family B.
It also promotes the idea that being traditional Irish is inferior to the more modern definition.

@Demented101

It has been a weird and wacky day. I'm going to assume you are slagging.

So based on that

I am indeed :)

It was probably intended as a way of saying being Irish in 2024 is something different to what it had been in the past and that new immigrants and cultures should also consider themselves Irish.
But it was clumsily done and was extremely insulting and sneering of traditional Irish culture and traditions in favour of the more progressive multicultural family

I think you've got a point, Sunlightinclouds, the attitude that you have to 'look like you're Irish' to be Irish [e.g. the racist posts about our ParaOlympian Deaten Registe] needs to be tackled. My usual reply to that is two words:
PHIL LYNOTT
The only positive I can take from this appalling imagery is that the outrage it provoked shows how awful it is to be reduced to stereotypes - in this case 'red-haired bacon-and-cabbage-eating small minded peasants'.

If even a fraction of people who indulge in reducing asylum seekers/refugees/immigrants to stereotypes like 'dangerous violent child-molesting raping scroungers' stop for a moment and think 'Maybe those stereotypes are as bad as the red-haired etc ones... maybe everybody is an individual..' some good will have come from this outrageous imagery.