Referendum!

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Anyone inclined to give an opinion? I am leaning towards a yes/no vote, the yes to remove what I see as sexist language in the constitution, the no because the government are so appalling in terms of providing services and rights to disabled citizens and I feel the clause is paternalistic and pushes care on families yet again

@festivefavorites I honestly haven't seen SF on anything. They have been very quiet this week. Mary Lou missing in action. Very surprising for the opposition to be so invisible.

So disappointed in them endorsing the Yes Yes vote despite not agreeing with the language. It should simply have been No No on that basis & that the govt will have get the correct wording before they approve it. Very weak opposition & won't trust them again after this.

But if it is a yes yes she will not do anything to change the wording to what the CA proposed. So if it is a yes yes vote then what was the point of their (lack of) campaign.
But yes it is most likely looking like a FFSF government, probably with a rotating Taoiseach.

Last nights debate closed down the new creeping in doubts about the first vote.

HME just could not sell it.

As a SP family, I am still a family words in constitution have not held me back.

Government policies and funding to lock women away was what held women back.

How will SP lives change on Saturday morning if this passes.

Succession laws are very relevant as is maintenance. It's like blood from a stone now regards getting an unwilling parent to pay. This won't change it even make it worse. Family courts will be overrun.

@Dublincailin very well said.

If it is yes/yes it's done and dusted.

Although last 10yrs have shown polls are not indicative of what way people will vote.

Brexit, Trump.

People will say what think the audience wants to hear and do their own thing.

I certainly do, it's RL drama. I can't be dealing with

Any predictions for tomorrow?

I'm thinking after the No sides very strong finish this week & some gaffes on the yes side it could very well be No/No. Very close. (And I'm wishfully thinking!)

It's very close, if I was calling it, I am hoping for No/No, thinking more likely Yes/No.

Which I suppose is better than nothing.

Then it is sit back get the popcorn and watch lawyers and barristers get very very rich

Watch the courts be overrun and peoples lives sit in limbo while waiting for the court date.

I know this much, I would live with a partner again, won't accept Xmas cards or wedding invites with both our names.

I am not gambling with losing any of my hard earned assets.

That is my DC's future.

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1765442079696535646

Peadar Tóibín also highlighted the points from the gript article above. Varadkers says a durable relation has been practised in other EU countries while O Gorman says the EU doesn't recognise durable relationships.
The Yes side have constantly lied & contradicted each other.

True at @Dublincailin my x (nice x, not the horror of a human being I had children with) if he was ever between rented rooms, now I would say, nope, uh oh no, not even two nights on my sofa. No.

I can see other people feeling the same, and in this rental market, it would make bad situations worse.

@Dublincailin @ChanelNo19EDT I have never looked at things from that angle & you are both absolutely right. The "durable relationships" has the potential to cause untold problems.

Also durable relationships can also be unrequited! A man or woman might think they are in a strong, steady relationship. Are invited places as a couple & get the Christmas card which is the governments seal of approval😁
However one side of the relationship is very committed to the relationship however the other side is simply having a bit of fun with no intention of long term commitment.
This could be disaster if this passes.

It will take a couple of years then when the cases start being heard and crazy ass rulings start coming out.

It will erupt, but it will be all look at us, we are so progressive until we aren't.

Do the parties even talk to each other?

Each government party says something different.

Surely in the 60 pages of minutes, there was so form of agreement to keep on the same page.

I know there's a strong push to vote yes its respect one parent families, but I'm not really sure the wording leads to that. I agree with Maria Steen here, the wording is relevant to horizontal relationships, not parent and child relationships.

I think MMD made a similar point about the durable relationships, it'll be interesting to see court cases where one party argues that a relationship is/was durable and another disagrees. Nightmare. Why would we be looking at making those issues into court cases?

I think so "durable" was always seen as the romantic relationship. That is fairly evident in the commission own suggestions, Christmas cards, wedding invites.

No where is it mentioning parent and children.

There are going to be some hard cases following from this and hard cases make bad law.

Any many sticky plaster laws will need to constitutionally acceptable.

Yes Yes

Oh yes a lot of lawyers and barristers gonna be very busy in next couple of years.

Plus all and every case no matter how tenuous the link will be tried and tested just to try to find the cut off point.

@StephanieSuperpowers

Is it possible because FG don't expect to form next government and they get to be opposition and bitch and moan from sidelines while government try to defend

Exactly & they are expecting the public to vote yes to this. Varadker saying durable relationships are recognised by some EU countries which he conveniently fails to name & O Gorman saying that the EU currently doesn't recognise durable relationships!

The yes campaign have been self sabotaging their campaign all week while Sinn Féin lies low! I wonder if Sinn Féin feels the acts won't pass & are trying to distance themselves?

@VoteNONO

There is an argument to be had they are both right.

I watched that twice and the words used are clever. They both technically are telling the truth.

Granted it's purely semantics.

LV said durable is in other EU countries but ROG said while durable is that n other EU country just not in the context they are proposing.

Semantics but they will use it.

Lads how did it get to the point where

Taoiseach took 6 counts to get a seat
HME took 6 counts
ROG took 6 counts

and they have so much power.

How did that happen

Apologies Taoiseach took 5 counts not 5, fat fingers

Aaarrrggghhh

They do say you get the representatives you deserve but I have to say I'm extremely jaded with the offering of the last few years. You can understand people just disengaging altogether. I have no idea who I'd vote for if there was a GE in the morning. It's a bad job when I'm getting all nostalgic over Bertie Ahern 😂