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Chickenkeev · 25/11/2023 15:08

Just out of curiosity @Mooshamoo , what are you personally doing to rectify the school situation? I know i did my bit. But you seem so invested, what are you doing?

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 15:09

DeanElderberry · 25/11/2023 14:39

A city school for one year, a small town school for two years (in a county adjoining one on your list) - middle of the 1970s, as I said. A very tolerant and inclusive atmosphere in both, and acceptance of those with different religions or none. I think you were just unlucky.

I definitely wasn't just unlucky as I know many people who had the same experience as me. I remember the one other foreign girl in my school was so severely bullied that she went into long term therapy. Saying "you were unlucky" to some one is a really awful thing to say , when you know about all the bullying and racism that goes on in ireland. You need to think about other peoples lives.

Were both of your parents Irish? You said they were both catholic. Maybe thats why you were accepted better
Both of my patents are not Irish.

EnoughIsay · 25/11/2023 15:10

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 12:44

To clarify, I don't mean that they had no concept that a world existed outside of ireland. Like obviously they knew that England and America etc existed.

I meant that they couldn't seem to understand that other people had lives that weren't exactly like theirs.

For example when I was in primary school, they couldn't understand that I was not any religion. To them it seemed totally impossible, because they had only ever been around catholic children.

Yes thankfully there are a few more non religious schools in the cities in Ireland now. However I'm looking at the area that I grew up in - and I'm looking at all the surrounding towns and village near me - the vast majority of primary schools still seem to be catholic schools.

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I think you said you were 7 when you moved there? You moved from a city to a rural village?

Is it not a bit much asking 7 year olds, no matter where they are from, to have a grasp of multi culturalisim and the possibility of varity in religious belief?

As in - Is that particualr to there or to any rural place in the world?

How can we not see life though our own experience at 7?

Also - reverse it. A child going from the countryside to a city could make the claim that all sheep are look different (my cousin from Wales). The city kids laughed their heads off and said he was stupid. They also said milk comes from the supermarket...:)

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 15:12

Chickenkeev · 25/11/2023 14:47

I think there's actually a scheme to remove schools from the church. The name escapes me now of course 🙄 and you're being disengenuous asking who funds Catholic schools. You know who funds them. By all means, have an opinion, but don't be a dick. It's a waste of everyone's time.

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I didn't know who funds them. I presumed they were part funded by the catholic church, but I thought they would also be part funded by the government.

I've worked in a few youth organisations in the Republic of Ireland, and we received various funding streams. We received funding from the Irish government and from the EU.

How can the catholic church afford to fund so many schools. Where do they get the money from. I'm going to research this myself as it is interesting

Deadringer · 25/11/2023 15:14

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 12:27

The mid nineties were not a good time in Ireland. I moved from a city in England to rural Ireland as a child in the early 1990s . It was a nightmare. Ireland was so completely lacking in any diversity at the time that I honestly think that it made the local people extremely small minded and to be honest , extremely strange. They seemed to have no concept of a life outside of Ireland.

I remember going to a catholic primary school. I had to sit there in the class through hours of learning Catholic prayers. The teacher knew I wasn't catholic and she still made me learn all the Catholic prayers in class.

So much of primary school time was devoted to one religion. That is not education. At the time the children seemed to have no concept that other religions or people of no religion existed. The Catholic children in that school just knew about protestant religion ,and they were told that protestant religion was evil.

I remember saying to a child at the school "I'm not any religion , my parents didn't make me any religion" and she looked at me and said "but then you can't exist".

It was total brainwashing by the Catholic church. They believed that Catholicism was the one correct religion and everyone else was evil. That is not normal.

Before going to that school in Ireland , I had lived in a big city in England. In the school I went to there was not much emphasis on religion. I think we had one class a week on the different religions in the world. The main focus was on English, history, maths etc.

The shock then of moving to an Irish rural school at about 7.

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I don't think your experience is in any way typical. It sounds much more like my experience of school which was in the 60s/70s. All of my dc went to school in the 90s and us being a family of atheists was of no concern to the school at all, no one gave a toss. They never had prayers in school, except for communion year, perhaps if you were 7 your class were preparing for holy communion? If your parents had informed the school you weren't Catholic you wouldn't have had to do them. As for children not having an understanding of the wider world, that is not an irish thing, most young children are the centre of their own universe and assume everyone else lives as they do, especially in pre Internet times. And i am no defender of the Catholic Church, but every religion in the world thinks other religions are wrong, thats how it works. It sounds like you found irish people strange, rather than the other way around. I live in South Dublin now and there are schools for all religions and none, but the Catholic schools are the most popular, though most of the parents have almost never set foot in a church. The ethos is very much inclusion and kindness, they are nothing like Catholic schools of old.

ColleenDonaghy · 25/11/2023 15:19

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 15:12

I didn't know who funds them. I presumed they were part funded by the catholic church, but I thought they would also be part funded by the government.

I've worked in a few youth organisations in the Republic of Ireland, and we received various funding streams. We received funding from the Irish government and from the EU.

How can the catholic church afford to fund so many schools. Where do they get the money from. I'm going to research this myself as it is interesting

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You surely can't be expressing surprise that the Catholic church has money? No matter your faith or nationality the wealth of the Catholic church is hardly a secret.

Chickenkeev · 25/11/2023 15:24

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 15:12

I didn't know who funds them. I presumed they were part funded by the catholic church, but I thought they would also be part funded by the government.

I've worked in a few youth organisations in the Republic of Ireland, and we received various funding streams. We received funding from the Irish government and from the EU.

How can the catholic church afford to fund so many schools. Where do they get the money from. I'm going to research this myself as it is interesting

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Unless you're exceptionally stupid (and i don't think you are) you are well aware that the irish government funds our schools. The links with the church are shit, i hate it, but it is what it is at the moment. Until enough people cop on and demand change. But change takes time and money. It will not happen overnight, and the schools as they are are good schools.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 15:29

@mathanxiety considering you profess know so much about the Catholic Church you clearly know nothing about the wealth of the Catholic Church.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 15:30

@Mooshamoo that was aimed at you....
Sorry @mathanxiety I tagged you in error. Apology's

EnoughIsay · 25/11/2023 15:34

Surely the school thing is a money thing?

It would cost a fortune to move everyone - build new schools (take them off church property etc), no religious staff and so on?

Grant it - I am not Irish. I do visit a lot though as a dfriend is married there. I have seen the enormous changes over the last few decades.

When I first started visiting it was mainly white and Irish. In fact, people were leaving - brain drain and a poor economy defined so much.

Now people want to go there and settle. It seems very multi cultural. And lovely!

DeanElderberry · 25/11/2023 15:59

Mooshamoo, I'm very aware of bullying and racism. I think you and the other pupils at the school you attended were unlucky. I think I was unlucky to have to deal with anti-Irish prejudice and bullying at my English schools (and in English society generally in the 1960s and early 70s), and that everyone who went to that secondary school was damaged by the social snobbery there - again, unlucky for them.

I also think that as a grown adult woman I can do two things, one is move on from my own painful experiences, put them behind me, and the other is do everything I can to counter bullying and racism in the here and now.

SwimmingOnEggshells · 25/11/2023 16:20
  • I remember saying to a child at the school "I'm not any religion , my parents didn't make me any religion" and she looked at me and said "but then you can't exist".

It was total brainwashing by the Catholic church. They believed that Catholicism was the one correct religion and everyone else was evil. That is not normal.*

@Mooshamoo no. That's not brainwashing, it was an innocent child who just didn't know any different! I can understand how you felt othered but it was a long time ago.

For your own sake you need to let all of that go, it's not healthy brooding over comments made by a child many decades ago.

Notagainwellreally · 25/11/2023 16:29

It's the government that pays for the running of the schools @Mooshamoo . In the case of fee-paying schools parents also pay. Even in state schools many parents are asked for a 'voluntary' contribution. It's €200 per family at the (Catholic) second level school my DC attend for example. But that depends on the school.

Theblacksheepandme · 25/11/2023 16:40

My daughter went to a Catholic school and still is going to a Catholic Secondary School. She was asked in Primary school once by a kid in her class how she knows right from wrong? @SwimmingOnEggshells when she told me this my first though was that it was just an innocent comment from a child. I actually thought it was quite funny and he was just being innocent.

However I was once asked by a work colleague, how I can have any morals if I'm not religious. There are gobshites in all walks of life. I didn't see her as an atheist hating Catholic. I saw her as an ignorant gobshite and moved on.

When I dislike someone, it is not because of their religion, nationality, sexuality, ethnicity, whether the person is from the city or country or what part of the country they come from. We must see people as individuals and not nations, in the words from a great movie (Goodbye Mr Chips).

@Mooshamoo I am not doubting you had a bad time but sometimes we have to focus on the good people that we encounter. I've seen good accepting people on this thread. If I focussed on the nastiness, it would have driven me to despair.

Abhannmor · 25/11/2023 17:54

Fair play to the Brazilian delivery guy who has been rewarded for his bravery on gofundme.

What about the lady who helped him - also the 5 victims...is there a crowdfunder for them? Apologies if it has been asked already!

elgreco · 25/11/2023 18:31

I thought this thread was about the awful stabbings not moo's shit childhood yet again!

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 18:38

Abhannmor · 25/11/2023 17:54

Fair play to the Brazilian delivery guy who has been rewarded for his bravery on gofundme.

What about the lady who helped him - also the 5 victims...is there a crowdfunder for them? Apologies if it has been asked already!

That what I thought when I saw it. It's nice for the man in hospital, but why is there no fundraiser for the girl in hospital?

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 18:38

That should say "it's nice for the man, but why is there no fundraiser for the girl in hospital"

Theblacksheepandme · 25/11/2023 18:58

There's fundraising for the victims and those who intervene.

lesdeluges · 25/11/2023 19:53

I think there is a GFM for the victims and their families, but it has raised nothing like the "Buy a pint for Caio" GFM.

Not my place to say perhaps, but I'd love to see all funds pooled and shared amongst the good Samaritans and the victims. As I said, I'm only saying what I feel myself, not what SHOULD be done.

Dublincailin · 25/11/2023 19:56

There is several separate go fund me campaigns for all the people involved.

Dublincailin · 25/11/2023 20:00

On a positive note the second child has been released from hospital

SwimmingOnEggshells · 25/11/2023 21:27

@elgreco 😂

Mooshamoo · 25/11/2023 22:19

Go back and read.

I wasn't the first person to mention lack of diversity in Irish school actually.

Someone else first mentioned it. And as she mentioned it, I then replied with my own experience.

Interesting that you left that part out.

Plenty of other posters have posted about racism in ireland, and lack of diversity in Irish schools, before I posted.

Deadringer · 25/11/2023 22:45

Oh yes Mooshamoo is that poster, 'nuff said.

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