Dublin Stabbings

[honeyrider]

Five people stabbed including 3 young children near a school in Dublin today. I hope they'll be ok.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41275768.html

Everything lesdeluges says. I’ve lived in the city centre for a long time & since COVID, Dublin has really gone downhill. It’s sad.

What can we learn from the uk? It's so surprising to me that the answer to that isn't obvious, but but here goes, issues to do with groups of men from Muslim backgrounds grooming poor white girls, 2);issues to do with 2nd generation Muslims being radicalised, 3) issues around 2nd generation Muslims feeling marginalised and resentful vthat they're not fully accepted in a white western, Christian country.
4) issues to do with the "native," population feeling there aren't enough resources 5) ghettos materialise when the minorities go above a certain amount.

6) schools have to accommodate more children who start school without English. 7) we already have a problem with toxic masculinity imo and our own men aren't behaving well to women but we are going to import men from even more misogynist cultures.

My question to @Theblacksheepandme you is do you disagree that these are real concerns ? Am I wrong about ALL of them? Do you believe that the issues/riots/difficulties that played out in the uk won't play out here too?

Why are we inviting problems?

I completely disagree with your views and won't enter into a discussion with someone that has views like you. I found yesterday quite upsetting. The racism in this country has become vile. I have read where Muslims feel unsafe and unwelcome in this country and that's disgusting. I do not want to be one of these people like you. If s Muslim read what you just read they would be extremely upset but you don't care because you have dehumanised them.

I used to get that crap all the time in Lahnden. Fucking thick Irish breeding like rabbits and always pissed drunk.....not you Abhannmor.

Jo Jo Rabbit is a fantastic example of a movie where the Nazi's dehumanised the Jews.

And Leo wants to dismiss anybody who wants to protect Ireland from what has happened in other countries by labelling them far right. Fine gael and fianna fail are too right wing for the people he's shaming. You can be a little more socialist in yr thinking without wanting to pull the plug on your own country"s future. I think Leo has his own unconscious agenda. He grew up gay and half Indian in traditional ireland,and the more diverse ireland becomes, the more conservative and irish his unconscious reassures him he is. He is always telling us "who we are" and he doesn't see that we all get to define ourselves. My role is in the field of social care i met LV once in a previous Cs role. Hat he wants from us is that we all be middle class, even without a home to own. He never has to worry about how thousands more immigrants will affect the number ofvschool places, the rental market et cetera, so he dismisses concerns as far right. I went to a private school, not the same one as LV but even to me his annoyance with us that we won't just be more obligingly middle class really grates. If it grates on me, I can understand why people are out robbing runners. They deserve to be punished, but LV needs to look into the psychology of the anger. The only anger he feels is that they're making ireland look bad. To who? Every other European country could have warned us.

I should be innured to a lot of the problems we have invited in to our country on autopilot by now. It's frustrating. Willfully determined not to learn from what has already happened in other countries.

Have they said anymore about the knife man?
I think after Josef Puska being jailed, the govt are very wary of another non-national being involved in a high profile crime.

Excellent summary of the situation. And of what's needed. Anyone who has spent time in any other comparable city in Europe or US will find Dublin's streets visibly under-policed.

@Theblacksheepandme not wanting to engage with "people like me" who have observed the problems in France, Britain, Denmark and Sweden. Why ask me the question what could learn from Britain only to then say you will not engage with people like me. So "people like me" are shamed for having concerns. None of my concerns are crazy "oh that will never happen". They have all happened in Britain, France Denmark et cera. But just refuse to engage by othering "people like me". People like me want a safe, secure country free from tension, dangerous ideologies and attacks.

Abhannmor, I lived in London for a long time & I know what you’re saying… Racism is racism. But I think that being discriminated against because of skin colour is different. I don’t think that white people can ever understand how that feels.

So truev@lesdeluges there is a lack of policy around how to move inner city dublin social housing out of Dublin. They could introduce something along the lines of, in order to hold on to yr social housing you or yr spouse or yr children need to have a minimum number of paid contributions at a certain age, so protecting the people who do have ties to a job. People who have contributed nothing do not need to be in city centre. Everything phased over ten years of course.

The problem with / for Muslims in O'Connell Street yesterday was that the Muslim Sisters of Eire charity workers who usually supply hundreds of homeless (and other needy) people with food, hygiene supplies etc on Friday nights were afraid to do their usual thing, for fear that either they or their vulnerable clients, would be attacked.

The 'rioters' were mostly poor, under-educated youngsters, worse off than usual because they missed vital schooling during Covid, being manipulated by a tiny number of opportunist racists - one of those early on Thursday afternoon on Boards.ie was making it very clear there was an advance plan and they were looking for a trigger.

Add in the recent extra media presence (always unpopular with dealers) in that area because of the Stardust inquests happening on the corner, and the shortage of heroin we've been hearing about in the last couple of months, there was a lots of stress and twitchiness already. Hand some of the thugs a chance to indulge themselves and loot some smart trainers, and we get what happened.

Charitable women afraid to walk in the centre of their capital city because they wear hijab.

@Abhannmor
Maybe stop appropriating racism as a way of veiling your own country's bigotry.

English attitudes to the Irish are the same as French attitudes to the Portuguese or Irish attitudes to the Poles or Romanians.

Absolutely not on the same scale or level as attitudes to peoples from outside Europe and non-Christian cultures.

That's an absolute exaggeration. No need for it. There are problems of course, bit no need to make things up.

Good points @ColleenDonaghy . We returned from London in the mid 90s. Quite a culture shock. I remember thinking how easy Irish teachers had it ! All the children had 2 parents, the same language and - 95% at least- the same religion.

Now this town has 200 asylum seekers , not including Ukrainian people who are basically treated as EU citizens. We've done amazingly well considering. The Direct Provision centres for asylum seekers are basically a scam whereby vast sums of money are transferred to private landlords. They are often unsuitable - old boarding schools and semi derelict hotels.

At the risk of sounding like a terrible cynic ; I get the impression our uber capitalist ruling parties are agnostic on the asylum seekers, indifferent to the stabbing victims and openly contemptuous of the working class. It's just another opportunity to A bring in censorship, B try to catch Sinn Féin ' offside'.

I agree that social housing needs overhauled. It is ridiculous to have hundreds of the deliberately unemployed housed all together in sections of the city centre. You'd be scared to walk by some of the buildings now. I'd love to see them gradually handed over to those who contribute to Dublin, not wreck it.
There are plenty of us who pay high rents, can't get on a housing ladder and do long commutes to work.
That divide isn't helping anything.

What are Irish attitudes to the Poles exactly?

Maybe stop this ' appropriation ' drivel if you want to be taken seriously.

I don't know. I know that those areas have severe problems ATM, and I don't live in Dublin any more so I don't really get a say. But how many cities have lost out because the original working class communities have been lost to gentrification? It would be wonderful for those areas to stay as they always have been, but properly supported rather than deep in poverty.

We are about to be educated @Chickenkeev . Is there a Fr Ted book for dunces like us : Handy stereotypes about East Europeans for Irish people.

Still being silent.

Though it's said that he has form for previous knife offences, which might explain it. And again, that's a rumour. But if they release a name and he has been before the courts previously, then McEntee is in trouble, and possibly even the govt itself.

The thought of an election in this atmosphere, where the three main parties are open borders enthusiasts - god almighty.

I do find it odd, the Nottingham killer was named quite quickly after those attacks on students.

It might be an exaggeration, but it's true that Dublin has got to a state where Irish people have second thoughts about visiting their capital. I live down the country, usually go to Dublin with the family for a bit of Christmas shopping every year. I decided against going there this year solely because of the reputation Dublin now has. The decision was made well before the stabbings and riots.

Yes I live in Belfast now and don't visit Dublin city centre very often, but I'm aware of the change since covid which is really very sad. Friends were very worried about me walking from O'Connell Street to Connolly recently - it was fine and at no point did I feel unsafe but it's sad that they felt that way, it never used to be a concern in broad daylight.

On the local news here in NI they said he has an address at a homeless shelter, perhaps indicating that again poverty and possibly addiction are the issues rather than his place of birth.

I would feel similar to you, but just don't exaggerate. I'm quite horrified to see how Dublin has slid into ''New York in the 80s' type decay since covid. And there doesn't seem to be any plan to sort it out.