Dublin Stabbings

[honeyrider]

Five people stabbed including 3 young children near a school in Dublin today. I hope they'll be ok.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41275768.html

I was seeing a lot of people on my WhatsApp groups petrified to walk the streets last night, but it was due to the lovely home-grown mob rather than the earlier incident. The same type of people who have recently hospitalised an American, an Abbey actor and are increasingly making that area a scary, no go part of town(im around there a lot). Irish.

Look what's happening in Killarney, Cashel, Tuam, Salllins. Unvetted men are being pushed into small communities with no communication given to the local residents.
It's basically put up or shut up... Irelands an inclusive, welcoming country yada ya..
Well I think the govt have gone too far now & the vast majority will no longer take it.

This is not my Ireland. It is not the Ireland I want for my children.

I want them to be able to walk home from school without a fear of being stabbed.
I want to go for a run in the afternoon without fear of being stabbed.

But thanks to our current govt & their open border policies these freedoms we took for granted are being eradicated due to high influx of unvetted men continuing to populate our already overcrowded little country.

You are completely correct @Puppalicious . I was in the city centre during the summer with my kids. We live about 30.mins outside but don't go in too regularly. I couldn't believe the change in the city. Lots of gangs of young Irish youth (quite intimidating didn't approach us or anything but obviously up to no good), sadly a huge amount of homelessness & obvious drug use. The city has lost it's buzz & charm. It's also filthy dirty. Even Grafton St felt dodgy.

Place of birth and nationality aren't the same. My niece was born in England, but she is Irish. Many children born and raised in Ireland since the rules changed in the mid 00s aren't Irish. Culturally they will be Irish, but legally no.

You're thinking of ethnicity I think, ethnicity doesn't change, but it isn't always the same as someone's nationality. And people can have mixed ethnicity and more than one nationality.

If the attacker last night was an Irish citizen, then he is Irish. He may also be Algerian, but he is Irish.

@ColleenDonaghy he is Algerian as he was born there.
A child of Algerian parents born in Ireland would be Irish but obviously can get Algerian citizenship too to be dual citizens.
I'd imagine that the knife attacker has dual citizenship if he was born here & then got Irish citizenship. He would be Algerian-Irish perhaps.

Sorry @ColleenDonaghy i mean he would have dual citizenship as he was born in Algeria & then got Irish citizenship.

Yes, and one of those citizenships is Irish. He is legally as Irish as you or me. Well, I'm making an assumption about you! But ykwim. Someone with that status will have an Irish passport, be able to vote in all elections, be entitled to consular support when abroad and have any other advantages of Irish citizenship that you can think of.

Culturally, sure he has other influences and may well feel more Algerian than Irish - that's up to him, and for someone who's been here 20 years it's likely quite complex.

But he is Irish.

And Algerian as he was born there. So yes dual citizenship. Algerian - Irish.
I have uncles & aunts in America who are there years & have full citizenship but they always refer to themselves proudly as
Irish-Americans

Has any motive been released yet?
Why did he target a Gaelscoil? The news said he had been hanging around there that afternoon with his knife with obvious intent to stab.
Was he radicalised in Ireland?
Was it a terrorist attack?
Are the govt going to pull the mental health card for him?
WHY did he do it?

Does anyone know how the girl is doing?

I can't stop thinking about her. She must have made it through the night. I haven't heard anything.

Actually all of mentioned have a big impact on the risks faced by women and children around the world.

Women's and children's statistical risk of harm is directly impacted by were they live in the world. Which is directly impacted by society structures that elevate men above women and children, which is impacted by race and religion

The mention of the Irish church being dragged into this debate supports this. Ireland has a history of horrendous crimes against women and children directly as a result of the power and influence that the church had in this country. Which provided a structure that allowed men to abuse women and children pretty much unchecked.

Which has taken years to undo.

Stating we have an issue with violent crime and murder does not take away from the fact a discussion needs to be had on Irelands current ability to continue to support such large numbers of immigration that is not as a direct result of contribution to the state be it works skills or economically.

People are angry that they work and can't afford a home.
People are angry that inflation has caused significant financial strain for themselves and their families.
People are angry we have a piss poor inefficient health system.
People are angry that while they work and receive little support from the state others can come into the country and appear to receive immediate support to meet their needs.
People are angry that they for example can't help with a GAA kids team with Grd clearance but any one can arrive in this country with no back ground checks and just join society. Irrelevant if they will be a positive or negative contribution to it.
People are angry that Grd and community supports are stretched so badly and anti social issues are on the rise.

The list goes on.

When people are angry, disconnected and disillusioned and feel unheard community they live. You see scenes like last night.

I attended holles street weekly/weekly or monthly for the last 2 and half years pretty much and the gangs of men I passed week in week out hanging around outside b & b s were not tracksuit wearing Irish youth.

The scumbags who tore up the city last night don't give two shits about the kids who were stabbed, or the safety of women in Ireland. They saw an opportunity to run riot and they took it.

I'd rather have decent, hardworking immigrants in our country than those disgusting lowlifes.

These scumbags have attacked, seriously injured and murdered foreigners in our city who were simply going about their lives. The idea that it's foreigners responsible for the majority of crimes in this country is ridiculous.

So many rumours going around but according to the news the poor child is still critical😢

Don't forget about the men disguising as women to gain access to women's private spaces & activities. Again aided & abetted by the motely crew running this country.
Barbie Kardashian springs to mind.
Women are becoming more & more vulnerable. We are not protected.

She is still alive, but in a critical condition.

There were plenty of rumours last night that she had died and it was being covered up, including on this thread. Hopefully those who spread that rumour can now see how irresponsible that was, not to mention disrespectful to the little girl and her family.

Many Vetted Irish men, abused children. The scouts and swimming being examples. Vetting didn't stop this happening so how is vetting foreign national men going to work?

Immigrants are not the cause of poor healthcare, housing etc. It is easy to blame immigrants. When I was a child the healthcare system was terrible and there was not a massive influx of foreign nationals at that time. Who's fault was it then?

I read a quote recently which is quite apt. I"f you live a life of privilege, equality feels like opression".

Why blame foreign nationals and instead hope to live in an equal society regardless of sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, religion etc. The Government is the one thing that can change this by improving our schools, healthcare etc. Why blame the vulnerable? Is it because it's easy?

They do. But there is some protection in Grd vetting in being able to check someones background working with children.

There can be no removal of risk of violence from society, otherwise sure we could just click our fingers and it would be gone only the mitigation of risk.

It was caused as a result of a large scale economic recession.

I didnt say they were the cause. I said there needs to be a discussion on if a state that is failing to provide for large sections of society is in a position to continue immigration policies as they are.

And that's without even getting into issues like direct provision or deportation policies.

This is all I want to know too.

Please God let her survive this.

It's like a horrible rerun of when I lived in London in the 80s. Unemployment, homelessness, drugs and crime were the lot of many people. While others partied after Thatchers tax cuts and privatisations. Riots were actually quite useful for the Law and Order Party.

Politicians are blaming the local yobs for now. They can flip it around later perhaps. Allowing migrants to work seems like a bit of a no brainer ?

I'm sure the news will keep us updated. You can see from the rumours that spread here, that this thread is not a reliable source.

They could send a few Dubs out to work as well.

Because its easy for them to do so.

Its deflection from the real problems in Ireland which are firmly routed in current government failure of policies across multiple issues that has allowed this vortex to develop.

Being able to check someone's working with children means nothing if the person has a clean record. There were plenty abusers walking around with clean records.

Allowing migrants to work is happening.

Asylum seekers will be allowed to work in Ireland under new rules (thejournal.ie)

The issue for many is, if that's the case, what is the reason that skilled or professional workers must go through the bureaucracy and expense of obtaining a work visa, prove they have resources to support themselves and accommodation/health insurance and so on?

Does allowing all and sundry to work here without a visa actually undermine the visa system?