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Coronavirus ROI/NI part 3

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YoungsterIwish · 23/05/2020 18:47

The 3rd thread Brew

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/craicnet/3874978-Coronavirus-in-ROI-NI-part-2?pg=40

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AngelaScandal · 27/05/2020 16:32

That is hilarious. Slave to his trousers indeed.
Spoiler: Not Leo.

Iblinkedandiamold · 27/05/2020 17:00

That was a very good read. Nearly joked on my tea.

ReiltinDubh · 27/05/2020 18:54

Ah she's brilliant. Great read. I actually subscribed to the IT at the start of all this. Worth it for €3 a week

Iblinkedandiamold · 27/05/2020 20:07

McMillions, my new binge watch I can already feel it. Grin

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 27/05/2020 21:16

Reiltin sure where else would you get Miriam Lord, Patrick Freyne and Conir Pope for a euro each a week. Cheap at any price.

3luckystars · 27/05/2020 21:33

Leo is a big ride.

ReiltinDubh · 27/05/2020 23:25

I've only started reading Patrick Freyne since I got the subscription MotherForkin. Knew him from his slot on The Last Word but so much more to him than that. Going to get his book when it comes out.
Love your name btw. I miss The Good Place!

Iblinkedandiamold · 28/05/2020 08:26

@3luckystars it's the foreign blood. He's doesn't have the big Irish head on him. Grin

Inniu · 28/05/2020 09:26

I was watching Newsnight and ignoring all the DC “do as I say not as I do stuff“ how in the hell are the UK having discussions about setting up track and trace and delays in testing now?
Was it not back in March that we were having these issues?
I really don’t want any travel between this island and GB while they haven’t got the virus under control.

YoungsterIwish · 28/05/2020 12:57

Never thought I'd say this but I want the option of a hard border between ROI and NI, so they can close the border if needed, like Australia has done between its states. Or else a whole island approach but can't see that happening. There are people taking advantage of the loophole, eg flying to Dublin then driving to NI, no need to quarantine then.

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eggandonion · 28/05/2020 13:34

We have a friend in the north, a widow with one Dd in New York city. Friend is in her seventies.
Daughter wants to fly to Dublin with dh and two teens, hire a car and drive to co down.
So asked on Facebook if that's ok, late June.

Inniu · 28/05/2020 14:41

As the rules stand she would be allowed. It is a question of what the risk is to her mother and to others.
Have they had the virus? Do they intend to isolate when they get here?

eggandonion · 28/05/2020 15:06

She says they Will isolate, but they would be in the same quite small house, which realistically isn't going to be easy. They would also be passing through jfk, security etc. I'd think that is the risky bit, apart from the fact that they ought not do it!
I think families being separated is cruel, but moving this virus around if it can be avoided is not the right thing to do.
The statistics from nursing homes are difficult to look at, they were supposed to be a safe haven. I know people in them were elderly or had health conditions, but the stats are harsh.

StrikesMatches · 28/05/2020 19:31

Ffs...extra.ie/2020/05/28/news/irish-news/dublin-church-mass-communion-lockdown Hmm

Doesn't remotely surprise me, I know the parish, and the former pp quoted of old. The diocese has apparently told them to stop.

LadyEloise · 28/05/2020 19:42

Im sad and disgusted that Ireland has the second highest number of deaths by Covid19 in nursing homes, in the world.
Why was this allowed to happen ?
It wasn't like we didn't know the elderly were vulnerable.
We had been horrified by reports of soldiers in Spain discovering elderly people, abandoned and dead in Spanish nursing homes.
We had seen how badly the elderly were affected in Italy.

Apparently there is a lot of money to be made in private nursing homes.

eggandonion · 28/05/2020 19:56

But not by the staff I suspect! I read a terrible report from Canada which surprised me as I thought they had a great health system.
There's only two nursing homes near us which are visible, most seem to be tucked away. Maybe the invisibility is a factor?

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 29/05/2020 10:05

I think there are other countries in the same position as Ireland regarding nursing homes, but not admitting it. I read an article on BBC News about Russia and there was a care home worker who was saying that the deaths were registered as caused by their underlying conditions even if they had Covid symptoms. Partly because they didn't have the capacity to do a full autopsy and test for the virus but also because they homes themselves didn't want to be sued by families for allowing their elderly relative to get infected.

I can see that nursing homes are hard to keep safe, even from my uninformed point of view. There are so many people needed to care for the residents, and they can't keep a safe distance if the resident needs personal care or to be lifted (which may need two people). And then there are three shifts, so even if you limit which carer goes to which resident there are potentially 6 people looking after each resident. Plus the residents are physically close together.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 29/05/2020 10:13

Also Sweden have had a poor response to keeping Covid out of care homes. They actually had a programme that placed grounded cabin crew as volunteers in care homes, so the people with one of the highest occupational exposures to viruses were sent into care homes.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 29/05/2020 10:14

Forgot the link to the Swedish thing. www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/sweden-forced-to-face-runaway-covid-19-care-home-deaths-1.4253784

Inniu · 29/05/2020 10:46

Even if other countries have a problem with nursing homes and are not including their deaths in their totals it doesn’t mean we had to be as bad.
We have done so many other things well I imagine the care home deaths will be the big mistake that decision makers will be trying to understand and learn from.

eggandonion · 29/05/2020 11:28

It's a lesson learned, but a terrible loss of life involved.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 29/05/2020 13:15

Yes, it definitely could have been so much better, just stopping visitors to care homes clearly wasn't enough. However because of the nature of the care needed I think even drastic measures may not have made much difference to the outcome. Possibly they could have been instructed to divide each home into sections, eg one section per floor and not allowed any mixing of staff between sections. However there would still be centralised risks of infection through the catering, laundry service etc. The residents will have medical needs so there are likely to be outside drs, nurses and paramedics coming and going. There are likely to be ongoing maintenance requirements, eg kitchen equipment breaking or pipes leaking, that mean outsiders will have to come in to do emergency repairs. No matter what the level of PPE etc, once the virus enters a group home like that it will spread because people are close together.

Perhaps physically moving the residents to other locations in smaller groups would have helped, but that's very disturbing for some residents and also administratively difficult especially at short notice.

Deadringer · 29/05/2020 18:36

6 deaths today, 39 new cases, definitely going down.

KanyesVest · 29/05/2020 20:08

BlackAmericanoNoSugar I agree, I think it was extremely hard to mitigate the awful outcome with our current care home set up. I hope it will cause a real rethink of the way we, as a society, care for the elderly and infirm who need extra support as they age. I have no idea what the answers might be, but hope I those who do are heard in the aftermath of this.

eggandonion · 30/05/2020 09:19

I think trying to prevent residents with dementia or an intellectual disability from moving around would be difficult if not impossible, and personal care is needed for so many.
The issue near us is small kids in the park during the day, obviously wanting to play together. And teenagers are moving around in groups, leaving a trail of cans in hidden parts of the park. Gardai in cars are hopeless, they need to get out and walk.
Plus our neighbours had wine in the garden midweek, on their patio, just under Dd's window, yapping away until one o'clock. She's not impressed. They started off apart, but ended up huddled round a patio heater.