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The awful incident in Cavan

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hollyisalovelyname · 30/08/2016 18:20

My thoughts are with the relatives and friends of those who died.
Just awful.
May they find some consolation somewhere.

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mathanxiety · 20/09/2016 05:57

Thank you for that. It does indeed.

I hope all the so called journalists are sitting up and taking note.

Darwinisafish · 20/09/2016 22:24

Thanks for the link to the excellent article. It's a shame we don't see articles like this in the Irish Times any more, the two pieces they had in the week after the murders were shameful** in their defence of the mainstream coverage.

This makes me worry that this will not be the last of these cases..

but because of the message the focus on Hawe sends out to other men contemplating a similar terrible course of action. To them it says: we will remember the good things you did, we will acknowledge that you, too, were a victim, we will assume that you were in a terrible state of mind and that your suffering mattered, that even though we may never understand them, you surely had your reasons. To the thousands of women and children of Ireland living under the invisible tyranny of domestic abuse, who fear that the man they are living with might one day be capable of such an action, the mainstream Irish media offers nothing. It will not even consider their perspective: as the Irish writer Sally Rooney noted on Twitter, every article about the Cavan murders in the Irish Independent was followed by the number for the Samaritans – the suicide helpline – for those ‘affected’ by the article: ‘as if suicide is the only “affecting” aspect of the crimes. they don’t provide any contact numbers for domestic abuse services.’ As Rooney concludes, ‘the assumed point of the view of the reader is to identify with the story’s protagonist, i.e. the murderer, and not his victims’.

honeyrider · 20/09/2016 23:59

The Irish Times has become a tabloid.

cocodidit1 · 09/10/2016 18:48

I feel so strongly about this "man" and the bloody sympathy he is receiving. I live quite close to where this happened and am stunned by the blanket of "none knows what was going on in his head" comments. Fuck him, he was an evil bastard. I try to convey this without loosing my head but i just can't hold it together long enough.
I am just ashamed of this community, this county, this country where this murderous vile man can get empathy and forgiveness.
As another poster has mentioned, Catholic Ireland is the country of the man. Let them do as they please and make us women travel to the UK for terminations to further our heartache.

honeyrider · 11/10/2016 22:32

Now that the shock has started to wear off opinion of Alan Hawe seems to be changing.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/what-alan-evil-theres-no-8967033

'What Alan did was evil, there’s no denying that': Priest who buried tragic Hawe family speaks out at memorial

Fr Felim Kelly was speaking at the memory mass on Sunday of Clodagh Hawe and her sons, Liam, 14, Niall, 11 and six-year-old Ryan

Mass killer Alan Hawe has been described as ‘evil’ by the priest who buried him with his four victims - his wife and children.

Fr Felim Kelly was speaking at the memory mass on Sunday of Clodagh Hawe and her sons, Liam, 14, Niall, 11 and six-year-old Ryan.

Hawe, 40, a deputy principal at Castlerahan national school in Co Cavan, murdered his family in a frenzied knife and hatchet attack some time between Sunday August 29 and the following morning.
Fr Kelly told the congregation of St Mary’s Church in the small rural community outside Ballyjamesduff: “What Alan did was evil, there’s no denying that.”

Friends and relatives of respected teacher Clodagh, 39, and her sons attended the service alongside locals and prayed for the family whose murders shocked the nation.

Fr Kelly, a pal of Hawe for some years, had initially described at the funeral service last month how he had spent Christmas with the family - and he painted a perfectly harmonious picture.

He said: “I knew I was calling to see close friends and knew the welcome, Clodagh with her scones, red jam and mug of coffee. Liam, Niall and Ryan busy like budding engineers building all kinds of Lego.

“And Alan standing with his back to the kitchen sink totally at ease enjoying the bean an ti (woman of the house) and the antics of unspoiled and respectful sons.”

But a family friend said yesterday that the mood regarding Alan Hawe had shifted considerably as the reality of his actions finally had time to sink in and the priest’s words at the mass reflected the change.

The friend said: “The Memory Mass was important to everyone and it was a relief to hear the priest describe the actions on that poor family as evil. What was done to them was evil and no one should forget that. Clodagh and Liam and Niall and little Ryan should be alive today and they’re not because of the evil actions of their father.”
It is understood four days after the massacre in the family home Fr Kelly had been in instrumental in the decision to have the victims buried with their killer.

He had also urged people to forgive killer Hawe.

A friend said: “We will never know if there has been more time to make a decision, if the same decision would have been made to bury them in a family plot.

“How could anyone make a decision like that with any logic or sense when the bottom has just dropped out of their world? The whole community was shocked, imagine what the family were trying to make sense of in their grief?
Clodagh and the boys will always be in our hearts. We will continue to pray for Clodagh, talk about her, remember her and her love for her sons and her loving family. Her goodness will always be remembered, along with her wonderful boys.”

hollyisalovelyname · 12/10/2016 07:38

Was he abusing Clodagh in the years prior to murdering her?
Did any of her friends or family get a hint of that?

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honeyrider · 12/10/2016 16:16

It's been reported in the media that a relative claims he was manipulative and abusive and it hasn't been challenged by his or Clodagh's family.

KanyesVest · 08/11/2016 00:13

Another murderer eulogised as he is buried with his victim. Sad

RIP Kitty. Condolences and best wishes for a full physical and emotional recovery to Paul.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/tragic-couple-kitty-tom-fitzgerald-9211263

Tram10 · 08/11/2016 21:22

Sad shocking.

honeyrider · 09/11/2016 01:32

When news of this murder suicide broke the majority of people blamed the son but it turns out he was a victim and suffered very serious head injuries and had to be transferred to Dublin his injuries were that bad. Poor Kitty had a horrific death.

mikado1 · 01/12/2016 13:19

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/clodagh-boys-never-stood-chance-9367017

Seems like her mum and sister know more now and are speaking out. Terribly sad but delighted to hear their very different and strong voice now.

honeyrider · 01/12/2016 17:19

I hope the priest hangs his head in shame for the shameful way he coerced her mother/family into having them all buried together.

Radyward · 01/12/2016 17:28

Priest . What a fudging idiot . What an absolute vile individual he was too to advise her mother to forgive that animal

ElspethFlashman · 01/12/2016 18:05

Sounds like they have since found out more than they knew at the time about his motivation. He was "about to fall off his pedestal".

I expect it will come out at the inquest.

I wonder if one can get burials separated after the fact into different plots? Sounds a bit like they're hoping for that down the road? Ambiguous wording.

Tram10 · 01/12/2016 18:59

I feel just awful for them, they were obviously railroaded into the joint funeral by the priest, at a time when they would have been number and in shock.

It sounds like they will have him removed from the joint grave, I really hope they do.

^We were so confused and stunned during the week arranging their funeral. That man ended up being buried with them. The horror of that, given what we know now, is indescribable.

“We hope that some day we will be able to do justice for Clodagh, Liam, Niall and Ryan. I hope one day they will rest together in peace. That’s the least they deserve.^

Radyward · 01/12/2016 19:14

It's unfathomable how out of touch that priest was and how his 'advice ' has long term repercussions on her poor family . Poor clodagh and her lovely children

CheshireChat · 08/12/2016 15:36

I just found this thread today, but wanted to say that the priest might have encouraged forgiveness simply as a way of coping/ speeding up the healing process such as it is.

It's probably very much ingrained in his beliefs that forgiveness is better because it allows release so he just functioned on auto pilot especially as he was a friend of the family.

IMO he shouldn't have held the service or been involved as he was very likely still in shock, a bit like drs don't treat family if it's serious.

I definitely don't agree with his way of thinking, but I'm not sure he should be judged too harshly.

mikado1 · 10/05/2017 23:19

Not sure if people have seen update here.
www.thesun.ie/news/977987/clodagh-hawe-family-fight-to-get-killer-husbands-body-exhumed/

Comments on fb suggesting people did know or knew something. So glad he won't be beside them.

TrashcanMan · 11/05/2017 13:16

Just read today that his body has been exhumed. Justice for Clodagh and her boys at last.

edengarden123 · 11/05/2017 22:41

I hope Clodagh's family can begin to grieve in peace. My heart goes out to them and I think they were so brace to fight to get him exhumed. How easy would it be, in the depths of grief to put the head down and just plod along.

edengarden123 · 11/05/2017 23:14

I just listened to this radio interview with Clodagh's sister. www.shannonside.ie/podcast/podcast-sister-clodagh-hawe-jacqueline-connolly-speaks-following-exhumation/

hollyisalovelyname · 12/05/2017 18:14

Thanks Eden
I just listened to that podcast.
So sad.
Hasn't Clodagh got a great sister ( and Mum)
What kind of people would troll them ?
Nutters.

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edengarden123 · 12/05/2017 22:02

Yes her poor sister sounded lovely and answered lots of the questions I had. But it's quite frightened that there were no pre-signs. Clodagh's and the boys were by her sister's account very happy and no indication that anything had happened previously. It's terrifying actually.

honeyrider · 20/05/2017 15:02

Maybe both families will donate the inheritance to the refuge Clodagh's mother and sister are fundraising for.

This is being reported today.

www.thesun.ie/news/1023096/estate-of-alan-hawe-could-inherit-cavan-family-home-where-he-murdered-wife-clodagh-and-their-three-kids/

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