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Britain Is In Steep Decline But Govt Is Busy Distracting Us With Ideologies

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Maggispice · 12/12/2024 14:43

"Britain is going through a period of major decline. Ipsos poll conducted earlier this year found that “68% of people in Britain say the country is in decline. [This] marks a sharp increase since 2021 when only 48% agreed that the country was in decline.”
Why do British people feel this way? Let’s look at the facts.
Politicians tell us the economy is growing. And who could disagree? In 2023, Britain’s economy grew by a whopping 0.1%! This magnificent result was achieved despite the economy shrinking by 0.3% in the last quarter of 2023 and 0.1% in the quarter before. When I was studying economics at university, we were taught that two consecutive quarters of “negative growth” was called a “recession”. Today, we call that “building an innovative economy”.
But are these figures an accurate reflection of British living standards? Not even close. Forget the fact that heroin consumption and prostitution contribute more to our GDP than volunteer work. Let’s look at GDP per capita, i.e. how much economic activity we produce per person. This is where the reality of British decline really comes to the fore:

What you can see from this graph is that GDP per capita fell sharply during the Great Financial Crisis of 2007-2008 and has still not recovered. What is more, this graph is not adjusted for inflation which, as we all know, has been a massive problem for years. Put simply, on average, British people are poorer today than they were in 2007.
And this is no accident. Because our politicians are judged on whether they have delivered GDP growth, they don’t actually care about whether you and I are richer or poorer. This is why the country experienced unprecedented immigration levels under the Blair/Brown Labour Government, and then even higher levels under the Cameron/May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak Conservative Governments. The easiest way to deliver GDP growth is to increase the number of people in the country. The way they have done this (importing low skilled, low wage workers) makes us poorer, but in a way that politicians can’t be blamed for.
Economic growth in Britain is not just anaemic, it’s an accounting trick. Think of it like this: You are a family with two children. Both parents earn the average British salary of £35,000 a year. Your household’s “GDP” is £70,000. Then your in-laws move in with you and chip in another £10,000 a year. Your GDP has grown by £10,000, but your GDP per capita has fallen from £17,500 (70,000/4) to £13,333 (80,000/6). Your household now makes more money, but each person is poorer. That’s Britain in a nutshell.
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Money isn’t everything, of course, but the lack of it makes everything worse. The crumbling infrastructure, the release of dangerous criminals from prison because of overcrowding, the failure to catch criminals or even investigate crimes, growing NHS waiting lists and even the anger that spills out during riots is a product, in large part, of a stagnating economy.
The housing crisis means that across the country the average age of a first-time buyer is now almost 34. In London, where all the good jobs are, that is now nearly 37. In other words, even for people who can afford their own home, the point at which they are likely to buy one is now so late in life they may struggle to have children for purely biological reasons. While housing is not the only cause, it is clearly a contributing factor to the halving of Britain’s Total Fertility Rate in just 60 years. In 1964, British women had 2.93 children on average. Today we are well below replacement at 1.59.
Falling fertility rates are a common phenomenon across the Western world and beyond, one that has cultural, economic and spiritual dimensions. But the fact remains that a society not having enough children to replace its population is doomed to face both decline and the uncontrolled mass immigration we’re seeing today.
A nation can endure and bounce back from periods of stagnation and even decline, provided there is a sense of common purpose and a willingness to be honest about the problems it faces. In Britain, we have neither.
The nation - and the common purpose that came with it - is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, to be replaced with the much-celebrated “communities” we keep hearing so much about. Instead of seeing ourselves as British first and everything else second, we are now Asian, Black, White, Jewish, Muslim, Christian and LGBTQI+ first and little else second.
As for honesty, we shun, ostracise and increasingly set what is left of our police on people who express widely-held views about illegal immigration, the threat of Islamist terrorism, and the failure of multiculturalism—especially if they come from the working class, whose crass ways and ugly sentiments offend the sensibilities of the chattering classes.
I could go on but you get the point. And if you’re reading this in the UK, you live the point.
I see no urgency. When I listen to people of all political persuasions who run this country, they’re all doing their best to pretend that what is happening is normal. A problem to be managed. I assumed this was the face they were putting on for public consumption but, alas, behind closed doors they’re exactly the same.
This is one of the very best qualities of the British psyche: to remain steadfast and calm, no matter the circumstances. The world over, people admire the British when they hear the story of Antarctic explorer Lawrence Oates, who left his tent and walked into a blizzard to certain death because the gangrene and frostbite from which he was suffering were compromising his three companions' chances of survival, doing so with the words “I am just going outside and may be some time".
My point is, the British are a remarkably unexcitable people. As a result, we avoid an awful lot of trouble of the kind that comes with the impulsivity and quickness to action that we see both on the Continent and across the Atlantic. But this is only a strength if you are steadfast and calm while taking action. And that’s the problem: no one really knows what to do.
People say that if Britain was attacked, we’d struggle to get people to enlist to defend it. I think that’s nonsense. If our country went through what the people of Ukraine experienced in February 2022 or what Israel suffered on October 7, I have no doubt there would be millions of young men around this country who would volunteer to serve and millions of others who would support the war effort.
But we’re not in a war. There is no enemy to fight. There is just a creeping, unstoppable malaise. And so we don’t know what to do. Even now, with the wave of enthusiasm that swept through the United States, our equivalent coalition of the anti-woke centre and centre-right is cautiously positive and imperceptibly optimistic."

The above was written by Konstantin Kisin.
What do you think about this and how can we get the country producing again?
Using immigration to prop up the numbers is fool hardy. Most of the low skill immigrant visas tend to have on average 3 dependents. In some countries care visas are being sold for upwards of £15,000 as it cos with visas for all dependents. So to a family of 4 children who want a British education it's a no brainer or if you have a dependent who needs long term medical attention. So many families take out loans to pay unscrupulous agents to get them a certificate of sponsorship with a care home so they can bring their family of 6 in some cases. Housing, schools and GPs are feeling the brunt. These cost money so even if the govt started a huge program of training more carers and supplementing their wage it will still cost less than the cost of education, GPs, pressure on infrastructure etc and be better for the country economically, socially and more in the long run.
Shouldn't we all write out MPs so they can go back to the drawing board and build the country?

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Boomer55 · 12/12/2024 16:58

For those of us old enough to remember, we’ve had these times before. And then it’s got better. 👍

tobee · 12/12/2024 16:59

No

AreYouMeOrWhat · 12/12/2024 17:09

So it's written by a Russian satirist and you want us to take it seriously?

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/12/2024 17:28

What ideologies are they distracting us with? Weird choice of dates too. Why the comparison with 2021 feelings and not 2023 feelings?Confused

When I listen to people of all political persuasions who run this country, they’re all doing their best to pretend that what is happening is normal.

That's outright bollocks. Austerity, Brexit, Covid, War in Europe, Trussterfuck Economics, the Cost of Living crisis and the breakdown of the Social Contract are widely discussed by our politicians, journalists and the public in general. No one thinks this amount of shit is normal.Hmm

Where was this published @Maggispice?

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 12/12/2024 17:31

AreYouMeOrWhat · 12/12/2024 17:09

So it's written by a Russian satirist and you want us to take it seriously?

What elements do you disagree with?

HowardTJMoon · 12/12/2024 17:47

The UK's been in a gradual decline for the last century. The first half of the 20th century saw us lose our colonies added to the insane human/infastructure/financial costs of two world wars. We've never properly recovered from that combination. We're a small country pretending that we still have the power, economy and influence we lost decades ago.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/12/2024 17:48

AreYouMeOrWhat · 12/12/2024 17:09

So it's written by a Russian satirist and you want us to take it seriously?

Oh right. I thought it was a real article.😳
It makes sense as Russian satire.😆😆😆

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 12/12/2024 18:06

I love this country but its quite evident its not an easy place to build a future anymore. A lot of people I know are moving or taking their money out to other countries, or simply hoping things will get better.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 12/12/2024 18:07

Well it is in decline, I think that is a given.

Maggispice · 14/12/2024 03:14

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 12/12/2024 18:06

I love this country but its quite evident its not an easy place to build a future anymore. A lot of people I know are moving or taking their money out to other countries, or simply hoping things will get better.

It's quite sad, especially as it needn't be so.

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Maggispice · 14/12/2024 03:17

Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a Russian-British author, conservative pundit, and co-host (with Francis Foster) of the Triggernometry podcast.
His podcast is very informative.
He wrote "An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West".

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NotVeryFunny · 14/12/2024 04:34

Boomer55 · 12/12/2024 16:58

For those of us old enough to remember, we’ve had these times before. And then it’s got better. 👍

How old are you? I am in my fifties and I've never seen such awful times as we are living through now. Not just economically but socially and politically. It's really quite a depressing time to be alive.

Happyinarcon · 14/12/2024 04:45

Things will get better, according to the media Covid was supposed to wipe a bunch of us out, so we’re actually doing amazingly all things considered

dottiehens · 14/12/2024 05:59

Run do not walk. The sense of dread is off the charts. I am not waiting to see if things get better. Life is too short. Unfortunately, I rely on others to leave so very anxious until it happens.

Radishknot · 14/12/2024 07:04

We didn’t recover from the 08 crash so that’s correct. Salaries are pretty low here vs other countries, we have huge intergenerational inequality largely because of the housing market & because housing was central to any economic growth we had.

We have an ageing population though & birth rate dropping faster than expected so immigration is going nowhere.

Radishknot · 14/12/2024 07:05

For those of us old enough to remember, we’ve had these times before. And then it’s got better.

I think there is a lack of hope now. When did we have similar economic problems & an ageing population?

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 14/12/2024 07:09

Sounds like codswallop to me.

Pat888 · 14/12/2024 07:15

We need money to fix things -it will take ages for Labour to raise enough to turn things around but after 15 years of the Conservatives squabbling among themselves (and they still are) I am hopeful.
it’s laughable that after years of bad government Labour is criticised for not getting things sorted in 5 months.
And for those saying it’s been bad in the past but righted itself -we didn’t have obesity, ‘mental health’ , millions on benefits or a million immigrants like we have now.

lm a conservative voter btw but not any more.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 14/12/2024 07:20

100% spot on. There is no money in social care. There is no money for education, housing, leisure centres. We have an older population with complex needs and all the government care about is sending money elsewhere and bringing migrants in to do jobs cheaply. This creates strain on housing and social care because it is based on fragmented social structures rather than an established social structure.

helpfulperson · 14/12/2024 07:23

Boomer55 · 12/12/2024 16:58

For those of us old enough to remember, we’ve had these times before. And then it’s got better. 👍

I think this is often forgotten. alongside how much the definition of poor has changed over the years.

AlbertCamusflage · 14/12/2024 07:24

I only clicked to see what the "ideologies" were that the govt is distracting us with. Didn't spot them in the op, which seemed like an immensely long way of saying that the UK is in decline and that people aren't nationalistic enough.

Two points spring to mind:

What is nationalism, if not a "distracting ideology"?

What's so bad about a declining fertility rate (esp if the population of younger people is being kept buoyant by immigration)?

Radishknot · 14/12/2024 07:26

@helpfulperson when did we have the same economic issues & demographics? It’s logical the definition of poor will change because countries are meant to progress.

Radishknot · 14/12/2024 07:34

What's so bad about a declining fertility rate (esp if the population of younger people is being kept buoyant by immigration)?

@AlbertCamusflage A faster than expected declining birth rate is not necessarily a bad thing. But is there a reason young people don’t want dc? Because they don’t want them? Fine. They do want them but don’t feel they can afford them? Not so fine. We already have more over 65s than under 15 yr olds & huge issues in the NHS & social care. What will that look like over the next 10 years? I also don’t think immigration is particularly popular but you can disagree.

No government has planned for the changing demographics, there are huge financial, social & cultural impacts of an aging population. Much of the west are in a similar position so we will be vying for those immigrants. It’s no wonder the assisted dying bill passed!

Makelikeatreeandleaf · 14/12/2024 07:41

I thought it was pretty spot on. I also do not recall things feeling this bleak before on a consistently pervasive level. Education is fucked as is the NHS. Those of us in schools who see the issues every day know there's a huge crisis heading social care's way and SC is also already fucked. The basics of society - shelter, food, heat etc are not easily available to everyone and the cost of living crisis seems unending. Governments dismantled industry and courted finance instead and continue to do so, leaving little for communities, whose towns have been decimated. It all feels very grim and I suspect will continue to be for a long time.

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