Vaccine or not?

[vaccineornot]

I’m not sure if it’s possible to have a rational conversation about it but I’ll post!
I’ve had vaccines, missed my last as I was unwell and couldn’t rebook in time

I am doubting myself massively about whether I should have more or not
My doctor and consultant say basically “duh, yes, why wouldn’t you”

Social media seems to be (before anyone tells me not to listen, it’s every single person I see) that it’s a scam, a con, the vaccines don’t do anything, the more I have the higher the risk and the push NOT to have it is so strong that I’m thinking am I wrong to have it?
I just can’t seem to work out if I’m more at risk from Covid (which people are saying is a load of shit anyway) or more at risk from the vaccine (which everyone is saying is dangerous to health)

NC as I don’t want people thinking I’m an idiot for questioning myself

For starters @vaccineornot Covid and the virus CoV-SARS-2 aren't a 'con' or even made in a lab as many anti-vaxxers and conspiracists would have you believe. As you aren't able to make antibodies then it's no-brainer that you should get a booster. Your own personal situation and safety is what's important here.

But it is, because anecdotal evidence has no relation to statistical significance, and does not account for confirmation bias.

So if someone is unsure if they have developed antibodies you are rounding on me for suggesting they may want to find out if they have antibodies?
ok

just like heart issues, menstrual issues, immune response issues, blood clot issues were all anecdotal

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/6/593

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/hex.13240

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0256493

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21645515.2020.1780846

https://publichealth.jmir.org/2021/11/e30642

Enjoy

All of which are symptoms of the Covid virus

Any medication can cause any number of adverse events. No one disputes this. Even paracetamol will list 'death' as a potential severe adverse side effect. Birth control is known for increasing the risk of blood clots. It doesn't change the fact that vaccinations are safe for most people.

You also cannot build a study and select only people with anecdotal evidence of side effects as this already introduces selection bias which invalidates your results.

Gold standard for research is a randomised control trial with randomly selected participants allocated to a control groups Vs the medicine. Ideally a double blind trial.

all of which were eventually acknowledged as side effects of the vaccine.

That was the only thing I had really around the vaccine is my period started at the wrong time, but then when I did have Covid my period started then as well so I guess that makes sense

Thanks but I prefer more up to date articles.
thanks for the effort though

All vaccines have side effects.

Oh please 😂 the last 5 years IS still relevant for most research. Particularly in this topic, as the social media landscape has not changed that vastly.

If you seriously don't think social media misinformation has a significant impact on scientific literacy you are being deliberately obtuse.

I’m rounding on you because your agenda is dangerous. It might be relevant if we were discussing someone with no health concerns other factors to consider but we’re not. You’re using a ‘one size fits all’ argument to someone’s actual real life medical situation with no consideration of the fact that you know nothing about them, and maybe - just maybe, even taking every one of your concerns into account the vaccine is still something they would be better off having but if they choose not to they can do that in the knowledge they have considered all the risks for themselves.

apparently you’re unable to trust the OP is able to read your opinion, look at any links you might provide and instead choose to turn the thread into another mess of you demanding, then rejecting, evidence because you just can’t let someone come to their own conclusion.

it’s not as if you actually care about any harm coming to the OP. You just want to be right.

right, I'll say it again slowly.
For a long time peoploe were reporting that they or people they knew were suffering various side effects from the injections.
They were ridiculed and dimissed as talking nonsense becuase it was anecdotal.
Eventually, there was so much anecdoatl evidence that it was acknowledged these reactions were indeed happening.
The more anecdotal evidence there is, the more likely it is showing a true statistical pattern.
is that clearer/

Look up the history of administering aspirin to children. This is how medicine works.

yes, anecdoatl evidence often leads to statisically viable evdence.

@Cornettoninja

Oh, and once I realised she has a rubbish immune system I gave my opinion that the ijections may be of a benefit to her .
She said she doesn't know if she has produced antibodes or not so I suggested she could find that out,

care to rip me apart for either of those 2 things?

I didn’t take it - and weird a lot of younger people around me (under 40s) didn’t because we were terrified when we kept hearing from healthy people that had suddenly developed blood clots, and other issues after the vaccine. It was a choice we made and we isolated and followed the rules. I didn’t get covid until the year after the lockdown and fortunatly it was OK.

However 2 elder relatives have developed blood clots since taking the vaccine - 1 has been in and out of hospital. Of course, nobody will say what caused it, despite them not having this issue prior. Could be aging? Also I know an equal number of people who have and have not been vaccinated yet have still caught covid.

I was in a vulnerable group last year and asked my doctor who adviced me not to take it - it was the weirdest encounter.

I say do what you like but we live in a world where we can make informed choices about our health.

I don’t have the data and I don’t think we will ever have the full picture - this is all anecdotal on my part - but we can only do what works for us.

Many doctors are advising against it. I wouldn’t take it.

so what’s your reasoning for turning this thread into yet another rant against Covid vaccines? Justify why it’s appropriate for you to be completely hijacking the thread with comments like:

“Good job the government didn't do that when rolling out the vaccine to the whiole population regardless of personal medical circumstance”

what the hell has the government got to do with the OP’s dilemma? What have your demands for links and god knows what else got to do with the OP’s dilemma? Why, even knowing the OP is in an entirely different situation to the one everyone experienced in 2021, do you insist that this thread should be about that?

again, and I’ll say it slowly for you - It’s. Not. Relevant.

My elderly parents are about to have their 6th or 7th boosters. They are the only people I know who've never had covid.

I live in Spain.

No way did I have it, or let my 10 year old DD have it.

I was seriously practically forced to have it and they gave it out in schools. But I resisted and am so, so pleased I did.
DD has nice normal periods now. Her friends, not so much.

I am not an antivaxxer.

My parents haven’t had it either or DH which is a miracle as he’s a doctor who worked on the Covid wards.

I’m sure anyone in the OP’s position will find your comment invaluable @BlackStrayCat