Does anyone still believe Covid came from a wet market?

[Aerialis]

Even the sainted New York Times has now confirmed, 5 years too late, that those dangerous 'conspiracy theorists' were right all along, and that Covid did not come from a bat crossed with a pangolin at a wet market in Wuhan, but unbelievably from a lab leak at the Wuhan institute of virology next door, who had been conducting gain of function research on coronaviruses. Surprise, surprise and who would have thought!

thespectator.com/topic/new-york-times-comes-clean-about-covid-zeynep-tufekci-apoorva-mandavilli/

Makes you think what else the 'conspiracy theorists' got right, and what else our governments and media are still lying to us about.

But anyone actually still actually think it came from a wet market rather than a lab leak?

Exactly this fairy tale that there can't possibly be any adverse impacts from the covid vaccine helps no one. An honest assessment of the actual rates would be a good start.

there were mandates throughout the world and they very nearly happened here. The idea was raised. Don’t assume you’ll always be able to say no
people should be worried about vaccine injury - various Pharma cos have already paid out billions for injuries and there are lots of live court cases underway.

It's true that the lab leak theory shouldn't have to go along with a whole load of nonsense about vaccines being bad and chemotherapy not being useful (for God's sake) and yet it so often does.

Ironic to diss the 'mainstream media' (ie actual journalism held to some kind of quality standard) when the thread is about an article in the NYT. Which I agree, is a lot more credible than your dad on Facebook, but said article does not in fact say that the lab leak theory is true.

It’s worth noting that the Guardian had articles only a few years ago questioning the danger of the HPV vaccine and the number of girls suffering adverse events. You now can’t even find this. There is no impartial balanced reporting now from main stream media - it’s all the party line

Most people were coerced into having them.
If you chose not to and were public about it you were shunned, treated as an idiot.
It was not a free choice for anyone.

Even on MN the behaviour towards those just questioning the vaccine was deplorable. Anyone discussing severe side effects they or a relative had was deleted. Anyone questioning the safety of the vaccine was deleted. What do we normally say about a topic that you can’t question? It has more holes than Swiss cheese and should absolutely have been talked about. MN and real life lost its head over it all and families divided over it. How did it get to that point?

You have completely lost the moral high ground here by questioning the safety of childhood vaccines. They are extremely safe, and they have saved millions of lives.

Autism diagnoses were high before COVID and have no correlation. Something is causing them, but not vaccinations. Remember, Wakefield’s theory has been debunked.

And are you suggesting that the NHS will kill or old folk if not watched?!

Poor treatment is a function of overwhelm and overwork, not a desire to kill.

It wasn’t a free choice. I left my job in the private healthcare sector because of the no jab, no job stance that was inflicted on us.

Having to have a vaccine passport to travel is not free choice either.

Indeed, and i didn't have them. But here in Italy, for the over 50s, that was a crime. I was fined €100.

I agree with you 💯
I never believed the wet market theory.

Oh here we go. HPV vaccination? The most successful public health initiative of my lifetime? One of the many great gifts that science has given us, particularly beneficial for women? This is not a serious thread.

I disagree in some parts of the world the covid vaccine was compulsory of you could go to school/work. Remember the care workers in the UK who were told to get it or lose your job?

I think most people don't know how research labs work, which is why the idea of a lab leak invokes an image of a mad scientist cartoon character complete with crazy hair and a metal hand carefully engineering a virus that will kill millions of people simply because they are evil and love that kind of thing.

In reality I suppose it's more likely to be research based on understanding how viruses spread and mutate, so that we can use that info to treat and inoculate against them, unless it's a biological weapons lab - I guess this is the "more targeted" people are talking about? Targeted at young healthy soldiers?

Fucking excellent policy decision that turned out to be. I'm just relieved the silly cunts stopped short of requiring it from NHS workers.

And I'm by no means anti vaccine either.

If it's provable that covid was caused by a lab leak then why isn't the lab involved being prosecuted for negligence or manslaughter? More than 7 million people worldwide have died of covid. Even if it was a US funded research project, how can they get away with that without any consequences? There might be a cover up from the China/US point of view, but all other countries the world over not only had deaths, their economies were screwed up by covid and lockdowns - why would they turn a blind eye? I know people want to move on, but if the cause of the pandemic is human error then those responsible should be punished and, moreover, it should never be allowed to happen again.

That's not realistic. The Chinese authorities would never cooperate sufficiently.

Good post @IsaacNeutron. I lack the patience now tbh. I have a close relative who spams up my inbox with videos by the like of John Campbell and Russell Brand. It's bitterly ironic as he got Covid in March 2020 - long before the vaccine was invented. Sadly , although his wife and children recovered quickly, he still gets fatigue and racing heart after modest exercise though he is slowly improving. Despite the timeline he has become very antivax and is genuinely worried about me and other family members getting boosters. And of course his ' research' has led him into very strange places. The UN world government. 15 minute cities. What enrages me is thinking of this poor man spending the remainder of his life in such fear? All monetised by these heartless amoral grifters.
Ps one small quibble. If masks are so crap why do surgeons still wear them? They might get on better without.

As I said, the man responsible was pardoned by Biden in the minutes before he left office.

Rather poorly disguised @Lavenderblue

I thought the increase in autism (amongst other things) had been linked to older mothers? I'm sure I read several studies where this had been proved.

No-one knows if you are going to be injured by a vaccine until you take the vaccine

Also people were losing jobs if they didn't take the vaccine at one point so yes they were forced into it

In your opinion then, what is medically wrong with all the people currently suffering Long Covid?

To be honest, that was one of the more believable ‘conspiracy theories’ and I generally tend to have an open mind. So I’m not particularly shocked or surprised by this. It’s all the other shit I have a problem with. That it was attempt to introduce a new world order. That the vaccines contained some sort of micro bots that could control us. I was happy to accept that it was no worse than the flu in general, while firmly believing that this was irrelevant, because it was a new ‘flu’ and, at the very beginning, we may as well have been in medieval times when it came to how we responded to it. But I have no time for people who write it off as ‘just a flu’ and who deny that it killed people, young and old. Mostly old, but not exclusively. The horrendous attitude of people who dismissed it because it didn’t affect them. Sure, only the old and vulnerable are affected. They are expendable. Plenty of people, including a few I knew personally, didn’t find out they were vulnerable and had underlying conditions UNTIL they got Covid. And that could be any one of us.

A lab leak was always a genuine possibility and is not of itself a conspiracy theory. The only way it strays into conspiracy territory is if the leak was planned / deliberate.

Have you got nothing better to do OP?

Very much so. The lab leak is still a theory. And the origins are not related to the need for kickdown and vaccines.

Interesting- Germany did just come out and say they believe it's a lab leak. With everyone pissed off at Trump and the US maybe they will come after them. But at the same time Europe looks to be cozing up to China so maybe not.

It's always been difficult to get proof - the investigation team that China let in was led by one of the guys involved in the finding - Peter Daszak - who unsurprisingly found in favour of the wet market.

There are actually heaps of lab leaks - just luckily most don't spread so well.