Does anyone still believe Covid came from a wet market?

[Aerialis]

Even the sainted New York Times has now confirmed, 5 years too late, that those dangerous 'conspiracy theorists' were right all along, and that Covid did not come from a bat crossed with a pangolin at a wet market in Wuhan, but unbelievably from a lab leak at the Wuhan institute of virology next door, who had been conducting gain of function research on coronaviruses. Surprise, surprise and who would have thought!

thespectator.com/topic/new-york-times-comes-clean-about-covid-zeynep-tufekci-apoorva-mandavilli/

Makes you think what else the 'conspiracy theorists' got right, and what else our governments and media are still lying to us about.

But anyone actually still actually think it came from a wet market rather than a lab leak?

In the podcast I linked above, they go into how research labs work. It's interesting! They make the point that very few people know and barely anyone made any effort to find out, yet still wrote about this pretty major location as if it didn't matter how they worked.

Lab leaks are scarily frequent
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/30/lab-leaks-shrouded-secrecy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

Interesting: I couldn't find any reviews for that book from what we know as reputable sources. The NYT unfortunately isn't what it used to be and has really blotted its copybook on covid reportage.
I mean, human error dictates that of course things will happen, but there's no evidence that it did at the lab in Wuhan.

Where's the link with NYT? She's not claiming that there was a leak at wuhan - just documenting that leaks are common and often covered up. Which is backed up by multiple sources. The last 2 outbreaks of sars1 were from lab leaks. So just addressing your point that people don't know how these labs work.

Alison Young is a veteran journalist who has worked as a reporter and editor for national and regional news organizations, including USA Today, the Detroit Free Press and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. While in Atlanta, Young covered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Her work has revealed safety lapses at biological research labs, food manufacturers and nursing homes; hazards in municipal water systems and near forgotten lead factories; and the role of substandard hospital care in maternal deaths. Young's investigative reporting on science and health issues has received dozens of journalism awards, including three National Press Club Awards, three Scripps Howard Awards, three Gerald Loeb Awards, the Hillman Prize, a Sigma Delta Chi Award, and an Alfred I. duPont-Columbia University Award. Her work has also been honored by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. Young is a past president of Investigative Reporters and Editors, an international journalism training organization. In 2019, she joined the faculty of the University of Missouri School of Journalism, where she helps train the next generation of journalists in the school's Washington, D.C. program.

You've only got to look at things like the poor implementation of what little infection control there is in hospitals - staff not washing their hands between patients when they should - to see how lab leaks are going to be inevitable due to people cutting corners there too.

@InWalksBarberalla sorry, it was jsut that the only reviews I could see for the book were in the NYT (this might be Google being useless, as it is now) and it is really notable that a lot of pro-lab-leak stuff has come via the NYT. People think of it as a respectable organ of truth but it is very, very poor on this issue (and that comes over int he podcast too).

@bridgesoverchocolate Apparently the way coronavirus samples were kept at the lab in Wuhan made it well nigh impossible for them to just "leak" - the problem, again summed up in the podcast, is that people don't really know how things are done in labs. Of course there are different protocols for different samples, that goes without saying, and leaks do happen, but in this case it is just not credible. The trouble is people think "leak" and don't drill down into what the process for that leak could be - very much including the journalists who have been writing about covid lab leak stuff for over 5 years now. They have really failed on that score and the damage done, plus the accidental collusion with the Trump regime, has been incalculable.