To Think People Have No Idea How Covid Messaging Has Changed

[Sunshineguy]

The CDC, HHS, and WHO are warning that Covid infections can get progressively worse and that the risk of Long Covid increases with each reinfection. Are people aware of this change in messaging?

I’m having trouble finding exact figures, would you mind posting a link to your info?

It is my understanding that there are no vaccines available for anyone at all this year.
am I wrong? I thought I’d read that they are not even available privately. So I didn’t bother this winter with even the flu vaccine but I’ll definitely take up any on offer.
I do think the whole virus situation is confusing

That is not true, I have had covid and flu vaccinations

https://news.sky.com/story/the-virus-is-still-evolving-at-an-incredible-rate-how-widespread-is-covid-now-and-how-many-people-are-dying-with-it-13059424

This is an interesting UK read. It is quite a long article but worth reading. Published January 2024

I am a volunteer teaching for teenagers who have long covid. I started with 2 in 2021. I now have 6.
3 of whom got covid for the 1st time Dec22.
I have to turn people down.

@notknowledgeable that is fundamentally untrue, last winter 2022/23 more people died from flu than covid, uptake of both vaccines is similar

both flu and covid can be asymptomatic or really mild or make you ill for a week or make you ill for months or have long term implications long covid or post viral syndrome and both can very occasionally lead to death and for 95-99% of population it is one of the first three

you can have both mildly followed by a severe dose or the opposite have it badly then catch it again with virtually no symptoms

you can have the common cold with worse symptoms and feel iller than mild flu or mild covid, it is nonsense to say someone doesn't have flu just because they are up and about it is a complete urban myth that real flu means you can't get out of bed even for £100 on the floor

however as generalisations go the younger and fitter you are the more likely you are to recover and the elderly chronically ill and immuno-suppressed are likely to suffer more, there are some anecdotes for the contrary but that doesn't mean the genral rule is untrue. just like the healthy 95 year old smoker doesn't disprove that smoking is generally bad for health

ok, but the death rate from covid is higher - that was the question! about 100x higher, without vaccinating.

The last time I had Covid I was very unwell and I’m still suffering the after effects, it was in July. I’m immunosuppressed and have to stop my other medications when I have Covid, this leads to excruciating pain and damage to my joints. I have to go to work, but recently I’ve made to decision to cut my hours for my health sake. I still try to avoid crowds but sometimes it’s avoidable, I have to use public transport, so all I can do is carry on having the vaccines, so far I’ve had eight. I’m thankful that my family are quite good in supporting me.

last year roughly the same number of covid and flu vaccines were used if the danger from covid was 100 x that of flu you would expect a death rate of a 100 covid deaths for every flu death but as flu deaths were actually higher than covid deaths it can't possibly be true

Do you mind saying- are you in the U.K. and were you offered the vaccine or did you pay privately.
I read there were no Covid vaccines available this winter. I’m in the U.K. I was offered Covid and flu vaccine free of charge winter 2022/23 but not this year. I could have paid for the flu one which I sometimes do but I didn’t get around to it.

that statistic of 1% death rate is from beginning of pandemic ( and only ever applied to the very elderly and CV) and is largely discredited at best a guess and at worse a disingenous statement to get compliance with lockdown

from gov.uk who is eligible for covid vaccinations
The Government has this week accepted final Joint Committee for Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) advice for a COVID-19 Autumn 2023 seasonal campaign. The groups to be offered a COVID-19 booster vaccine are:

• Residents in a care home for older adults
• All adults aged 65 years and over
• Persons aged 6 months to 64 years in a clinical risk group, as laid out in the Immunisation Green Book, COVID-19 Chapter (Green Book)
• Frontline health and social care workers
• Persons aged 12 to 64 years who are household contacts (as defined in the Green Book) of people with immunosuppression
• Persons aged 16 to 64 years who are carers (as defined in the Green Book) and staff working in care homes for older adults.

The death RATE is 100x higher - approximately 1% of covid infections result in death, approximately 0.01% of flu cases result in death

I suspect most people aren't aware, no. From what I can see, the majority of the population are no longer paying a great deal of attention to covid vaccination messaging. Most of us don't have access to vaccination now anyway.

@Coincidentally

Degree in virology? medicine? biology?
Any relevant field?

No.

Thought not.

This type of statement nonsensical and dangerous.

Look, here it is, it has not changed much really, still today, 1% of known covid infections have resulted in death - of course there are a lot of vaccinated people now, and a lot of undetected covid, but nothing has fundamentally changed, the death RATE from covid is 100x higher than the death RATE from flu, and of course, the RATE at which people are left disabled is also around 100x higher.

But of course the risk is small to most people, from both virus. Most people do not die or get left disabled. However do be aware of combining the two in bland statements - flu can be terrible - covid is actually a lot more dangerous

People eligible for vaccination

• a resident or staff member in a care home
• aged 65 years and over
• aged six months to 64 years in a clinical risk group
• a frontline health and social care worker
• aged 12 to 64 years who are household contacts of people with immunosuppression
• a carer, aged 16 to 64 years
• pregnant

That’s a huge number when you add it all up. Which I won’t because I have a life and most people with some degree of intelligence are able to make accurate deductions around this.

I think people who buy into the vaccine-pushing narrative or the 'Its just a cold' are either deep down very scared and cognitive dissonance is the only way they can cope, or they are just really fucking thick.

My company is mainly people in their 30s/40s and we are starting to see long term effects. My colleague has had it 7 times and now has issues with her heart. I have two friends formally diagnosed with Long Covid,

This is why I continue to take the boosters I am eligible for. I dont need to prove I am some badass and can handle getting really sick without it, thanks. Give me the drugs to keep me well all day long.

230,000 people died with covid in their death certificate last year. Possibly the most vulnerable and elderly and that is who this is aimed at. Just because some people you know felt fine with it doesn’t mean it isn’t fatal for some, just like flu. We don’t sneer at vulnerable people having a flu jab so why are people sneering at vulnerable people being targeted for a covid jab.

@notknowledgeable that is mathematically impossible in UK last winter for the actually numbers of deaths to be the same ( in fact flu deaths were higher ) 100 times more people would have to have had flu than covid
as it was estmiated that 5% of the population had covid on any given day in the winter of 2023 , 500% of the population would have needed to be flu postive on any day that is mathematically impossible

And I had the flu a few years back and it was the worst sickness I ever had and far worse than any dose of covid I had.

Extremely healthy late 20s when I got the flu and it fucked me up!

For many people covid is like a flu, for many it's even milder than that, any virus has the potential to have complications.

We’ve had all of our boosters. Last time we had it, it was nearly a year after our last jab and we were surprisingly unwell. Think my youngest and I have it again atm but just a couple of months after our last boosters, it’s nowhere near as unpleasant this time.

mentioned on death certificate is not the same as died of covid also the 230,000 is over a 4 year period not last year

On a population level, yes it is the same, that is the point of a death certificate

I would happily vaccinate but I’m not eligible.

If you're genuinely curious about the answer to your question, you could easily look it up. I find it odd that you haven't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-54418613