To Think People Have No Idea How Covid Messaging Has Changed

[Sunshineguy]

The CDC, HHS, and WHO are warning that Covid infections can get progressively worse and that the risk of Long Covid increases with each reinfection. Are people aware of this change in messaging?

It's easy. A33 to Reading, A30 to Hook & Hartley Wintney or M3 to London. If you miss it, just go round a couple of roundabouts again until you see relevant signs.

I'd say pop in for a cuppa, but I'm meant to be getting ready for a job interview.

I’ve got asthma and would pay for a vaccination if I didn’t get a free one.

Very shortsighted, considering the piles of left over vaccines after the last round.

I am CEV. I don’t expect anyone to take a vaccine just because they’re caring for me and I’m certainly not taking any either.

To my knowledge I’ve had covid three times.
First in March 2020 - def felt worst in terms of being bed ridden. Made total recovery in about 2-3 weeks.
Second in Summer 2022 - not quite as ill but it affected me long term and kicked off some chronic issues. Took 3 months to get energy etc back. I thought I could have a horrible illness and not just effects of covid.
Autumn 2023 - got it again! Was just a v high temperature for 12 hours and felt a bit rough for a couple of days.
Had all vaccines I’ve been eligible for (not recent ones - had last year for over 50s).
Im living life normally now / no mask. I’ll isolate if I am positive for the 5 days - luckily I can wfh.
Both flu and covid can be deadly, but for most they’re just a regular illness which you’ll get over within a couple of weeks. You just don’t know if you’re going to be that person, but that’s life!

I simply don’t believe the death rate for covid is 1% as a pp has quoted. Could you link a source for this otherwise it’s just scaremongering. There’s 400 kids in my DC school and they’ve just had a massive wave of covid like illness - do you really think 4 have died??!

A friend of mine had the flu once and said at one point she couldn’t get up and walk a couple metres to the kitchen to get some water.
She had to wait for her partner to get home.
Sounds pretty serious to me. I always remember this when I see the ‘it’s nothing like the flu!!’ comments.

I had covid last year and it certainly is not like the flu.

But it is in a lot of ways. Some people get it asymptomatically and never realise - same for flu and covid. Some people die from it - same for flu and covid. For many people, it's not that different from a cold - same for flu and covid. For others, they're confined to bed for a while and are very incapacitated by it - same for flu and covid.

And like flu, other than having vaccinations when offered, I don't think there's that much you can do. Everyone should be following basic hygiene around hand washing, not sneezing on people, things like that. CEV people I know are still wary about going out to busy places. But we all still have to get on with life, so all you can do is be aware of symptoms of the main disease and possible longer term complications and deal with it by seeking medical advice when you need it.

Whether or not you live in east Basingstoke, which isn't that bad a place, you know.

I had that with flu for 2 months.

Im now on month 7 of LC. Can hardly get out of bed. A walk to the sink is a dream.

I've had covid 11 times (just getting over the most recent). I've had every vaccine like clockwork (7? Something like that) but because I'm immunosuppressed they don't work as well as they do with people who aren't. Hence I catch it, but the infection is never too awful (unlike the times I had it prior to vaccination).

This messaging is nuts considering most people can't get a vaccination even if they want one. And also what can you do if you have covid - you can't stay off work unless you're hanging out of your arse, DC have to go to school, people can't isolate anymore. I know a teacher in a SEND school whose pupils are incredibly vulnerable but he's in work this week with covid because he's not allowed to take more than three days off with it.

It's just persuading people to get their vaccines so they don't end up in hospital.
If you're not vulnerable, therefor not eligible for a vaccine, business as usual.

Just look at the statistics from 2020 and 2021 when covid cases and covid deaths were being counted carefully, worldwide - before there was a vaccine. It had a 1% death rate. School children less likely to die, but other demographics far more likely than 1% to die.

And yes, I would expect issues among 400 school children if they had had no vaccinations, luckily this cohort is likely to have a major degree of protection - but it is also an apparent rise in diabetes and heart defects in children who got covid before they were vaccinated. I don't think it is likely to be statistically analysed for some years yet, but certainly a lot more issues like this around that time. We have a school children with these life threatening conditions

And What Exactly Are We Supposed To Do About This? Hide Under The Table?

Do you need to pay for vaccines in the USA?

And why are we looking at old statistics not current ones.

The virus is out there now with vaccinations and people already having had it it is completely different circumstances to then.

Because we are comparing covid with flu, and the only numbers available for comparison are the covid without vaccination and flu in general .... Yes, of course far fewer people die of covid after vaccination, but that is the same for flu too

In the UK I'm not sure it is possible to pay to have the jab privately like it is in Ireland (and I assume the US). My MIL has severe health anxiety and desperately wants another booster but she isn't eligible to get it for free and when asked if she could pay like she does for her flu jab she was told it's not possible with the covid jab.

That wasn't the question the person asked.

Using old data to prove current trends is pointless.

It is not going to have changed fundementally

So, are you going to elaborate @Sunshineguy ?

What's the change in the message? 'Cos as far as i can see it's just the same old ''You could get covid again, get vaccinated if you're eligible''.

<shrug> most folks aren't eligible. Our school is very much not interested in covid/not covid. ''Send them in no matter what unless their head's fallen off or they're throwing up'' is the message from our school.

You love a covid thread it seems .... what are you?

The question person asked which you responded to do didn't mention flu, they questioned the death rate of 1% with COVID and you then used figures from 2020/21. Everything has changed since then with vaccinations prior infections.

Using old figures is entirely pointless.

How can i get the vaccine?

I've still not had covid. Does that mean i have good immunity or will I just get the worst dose ever eventually?

Not eligible for a vaccine as far as i know.

No it isn't, the person I was responding to was saying covid is no more dangerous than flu, and I was pointing out that it is around 100x more dangerous, that is all. Neither are dangerous to most people

@EarringsandLipstick As far as I understand it is still currently illegal to offer covid vaccines privately in the UK, so the only way you can get one is via the government programme if you are in the recommended vaccine cohorts - which unless you have certain risk factors rules most people out after 3 jabs. As people have said it is anticipated that this may change soon.

The main reason for this decision was to ensure that the vaccine supply in the UK was focussed on being delivered to the groups that needed it most. Also in the first vaccination waves where everyone was eligible, people who were most at risk were given it first and those able or willing to pay did not jump the queue.