To Think People Have No Idea How Covid Messaging Has Changed

[Sunshineguy]

The CDC, HHS, and WHO are warning that Covid infections can get progressively worse and that the risk of Long Covid increases with each reinfection. Are people aware of this change in messaging?

I really don’t miss this type of messaging here

Vaccinations are now for those similar to flu, elderly and vulnerable, I think the option may come for people who want it to pay.

Of course you are right, and I apologise for not educating myself on the vaccination policies of the world before posting.

Here are some things you could decide to do:

Lobby for better ventilation/filtration of air in public spaces

Open windows on the bus

Wear a mask in healthcare settings, and during waves in all indoors public spaces

Test if you think you might have something infectious (LFTs also available for flu) and keep away from vulnerable groups in first days of an infection (remember you can't tell by looking who is vulnerable, not can you ask as it includes the newly pregnant and that would be rude, so perhaps that bit of governmental advice really boils down to extending the same consideration to everyone)

Even if you are a bit stuffed by your current employer's backward attitudes, keep lobbying for better sick provision - for yourself and for everyone. And for those with symptoms to be taken off "front-line" duties wherever possible

Yes, this. I’m not eligible for any more vaccines, what do you think I should be doing OP?

Four of my colleagues have had repeated covid infections (5+ infections in the last 2 years) and 3 of those have been diagnosed with long covid and though previously healthy have had heart issues, pain in kidneys & other weird ongoing symptoms.

Might be coincidence but I believe there is something in it, though I'm sceptical that the vaccine would make a lot of difference as they were all vaccinated due to their jobs.

How bad you are

Most on here can identify a Covid campaign and country of origin within 50 paces ;

What else can I do?

vaccination isn’t the only way to prevent catching it and spreading it.
Masking and filtering the air also prevent the spread.
Covid is a disease of the blood vessels- it’s not just like another cold.
research shows that it depresses the immune system, and that’s why we are seeing more and more additional sickness…
It’s not scaremongering to tell people the truth about things.
There is so much research on Alzheimer’s, diabetes, kidney failure, heart failure and sudden death relating to Covid infections. Also, persistent infections can happen where eople
neber clear the virus.
its not getting milder, its just impacting us differently.
we are in the stage where people are much less likely to die during the first part of the covid infection and much less likely to be hospitalised BUT the infection still causes huge problems in our bodies, even after the first signs of illness have gone. Not dissimilar to HIV- the first signs of infection there are a mild flu like illness… the big impact comes later.
i think that politicians are either ignorant, or scared to ouch the message that we need to manage air in buildings, we still need to think about masking and we still need to look after vulnerable people.

Actually the latest data from one European country showed that the 4th vaccine didn't actually have any effect on reducing covid complications even in the elderly. Natural immunity is now more effective, the vaccine was never brilliant anyway as it didn't stop it spreading or prevent you catching it. Unlike the flu vaccine which helps prevent spread.

ok, only the bit about wearing a mask in healthcare settings applies to me. Unless you expect me to set up a lobbying group about indoor ventilation, which is hardly a short term fix or a reasonable expectation for an adjustment to my daily decision making process

• I haven’t been on a bus for years. Before I get shot down in flames, I walk 95% of my journeys.
• I WFH if I have even a sniffle. Not because I’m paranoid about Covid but because I’m a wimp.
• my employer (who is actually me!) is not “backward” thanks very much.

most people don’t have the luxury of most of the things you suggest.

Oh jeez, out come the anti-vaxxers

Absolutely.

It's a US public campaign, by the CDC (and I'm surprised some people are unaware who they are). It's making a perfectly valid point.

I'm in Ireland - as part of the winter vaccination campaign, we are encouraged to vaccinate against Covid, in addition to flu. Children & vulnerable adults are vaccinated for free (children in relation to flu). Others have to pay - it was €35, I was happy to do it & reduce my risk of flu & Covid. I work in a university, lots of opportunities for catching viral illness, single parent so I'll take anything that I can to prevent illness!

UK has its own special quite mad way of approaching this. You shouldn't have to be 'eligible'. It should be available to anyone who is willing to pay, and free to those who are vulnerable or unable to pay. And I imagine that is the case.

Wear a mask in healthcare settings, and during waves in all indoors public spaces

Proper masks like ffp3 masks or as per covid the manky multi used 'should be disposable' ones?
If masks are to be worn and the populace are supplied with ffp3 ones, I'd wear one if necessary, but remembering the threads on here at the rage towards those who couldn't wear them, those who wouldn't wear one, and an interesting thread re 'the maskless' shopping hour suggestion when people would be happy to go shopping without a mask on, but were appalled anyone else would also be maskless!

Are you still hysterically obsessing over this. If you still fall for Covid propaganda, you need mental health support.

As a house we've just had covid for the first time, which included an A&E trip for me. Never done A&E for me before, but I had crushing chest pains one night.

The only one in the house not to get it was ds. Ds had had 5 jabs in comparison to the rest of our 3. He did test daily so it wasn't that he had it silently.
He is CV and the only one in the house that does tend to pick up illnesses easily, so I'm very glad he's had the jabs.

This!!!

I'm on the list as have 2 eligible conditions (don't be jealous!)
Severe mental health condition
Autoimmune suppressed.

My DSis and I had it this Xmas caught off her son. I was ill for a week a bit like a bad cold and she ended up so very ill with pleurisy.

And I can't even find my way out of East Basingstoke

What are we actively meant to be doing to stop catching it though? I commute on a train and half the carriage in any one winter are usually sneezing/coughing etc
And the guidelines for testing/isolation are pretty vague.

Well if that's the case, the NHS needs to prioritise vaccinating everyone and not just the over 65s and those in special groups. I'd have had a booster this winter, if I'd been offered one, but at 50 I wasn't. Apparently, jabs will be available privately from April from pharmacies, but they'll cost £49, so there will be lots of people for whom that's out of reach.

Many people are in favour of going back to the 2020 messaging with STAY AT HOME in block capitaks, or the tv ads with crying doctors asking if you could look them in the eye.

Get your vaccines. Move on.

It's not messaging.

It's publishing science. That's their duty. They also publish science about lots of other diseases too.

However these risks are not high enough to trigger a change in public health advice which is messaging.

I find the whole covid thing really odd. There must be literally billions of people in the world still not had any kind of vaccine - I'm thinking huge parts of Russia, South America, Africa, Asia, Polynesia.

Yet we hear nothing about covid deaths in these populations, nothing at all.

So if they didn't need a vaccine - we did we?

The "messaging" doesn't matter. Experience across the world has finally shown us that Covid isn't - and never has been- a big deal. There are so many more important things to think about, so this is very much old news.

@EarringsandLipstick Thr UK (and devolved nations) did a lot of mad stuff during covid but I think the vaccine policy was and still is sensible.

Vaccines supply is not unlimited so it makes sense to prioritise the most at risk. The best way to do that is for govenrment to control the supply and delivery. That way the "worried well" and better off aren't clambering over the vulnerable to get vaccines.

I tend to follow JVAC advice and currently they do not think people in my situation (under 50, very healthy, no regular contact with highly vulnerable people) need any more jabs - so what is the point of making one available privately to people like me?

As others have said I suspect it will settle down soon to be like flu jabs - free jabs avaible to at the defined risk groups and the opportunity for others to pay if they want one.

The poster itself suggests that the initial infection predicts the severity of subsequent infections. There is some recent evidence to support that.
My concern is around the interpretation of the campaign by the general public. You say in your opening statement "the risk of Long Covid increases with each reinfection". Nowhere does it say that. It says "vaccine reduces your chances of long covid" (by the virtue of reducing your chances of contracting covid in the first place). There is no current evidence to suggest the link between reinfection and PCFS.
And that's why I have to agree with previous posters about scaremongering. The campaigners should have anticipated how the wording could be misleading. But this is the same WHO which misrepresented evidence about meat and aspartame in the past. No surprises there.