My anxiety is sky high after reading the daily Mail article about excess deaths

[behappy1736]

I have health anxiety and I've been trying to distance myself from any media and news articles about the Vaccine.
Today it popped up on my phone about the record number of excess deaths are the highest ever, then I started reading the comments and the amount of people saying 'I told you so' and 'The truth is now coming out' on there is worrying 😩
I feel really panicky and over weekend at the thought of having 3 vaccines inside my body and now all this stuff is coming out about people dying of heart attacks for no reason.
I know there's nothing we can do now but

I'm just terrified.

😟

A vaccine does not cause death months or years after it's been given. This is impossible

impossible?
Thats a big claim.

@hamstersarse

More fearmongering.

A vaccine does not cause effects that only emerge in the long term. You repeatedly try and claim this, when so many posters have pointed out why it is impossible. A vaccine using mRNA instead of an antigen makes no difference to this.

The vaccine components don't hang around in the body, waiting to cause a heart attack/AI disease/sudden death months afterwards.

if you are someone who develops a side effect, this happens in response to antigen, shortly after vaccination. This could include a long term condition, but you don't suddenly develop it a year post injection!

I find your anti-vaccine fearmongering a bit crap at the best of times, but not least on a thread someone starts with the post "my anxiety is sky high"

The effects of covid in the UK will be very similar across Europe surely?
People to scared to step foot in a health care setting.
Delay of treatment
Strain on health care delaying urgent treatment
People still dyeing from.covid
Sometimes the most likely reason is the less palatable. A virus took humans unaware and its caused directly and indirectly excess deaths. Totally beyound human control. Maybe that's more scary than a human controlled plot to kill us via a vaccine? Maybe there is no human master plan at play and nature which is out our control is at play. Maybe there are a billion viruses ready to jump the species barrier.

There are so many reason indirectly related to Covid other than the vaccine that could explain this. E.g. people living more sedentary lives due to lockdown, more wfh, people drinking more due to stress and worry during Covid and now due to cost of living crisis and worry about war in Ukraine. Pressure on nhs from Covid, Flu and underfunding has been getting progressively worse. Cost of living crisis leading people to suffer stress and anxiety, and to be unable to heat their homes (being cold can lead to your immune system not working as well so more likely to become ill). People less able to afford a nutritious diet. Etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

@hamstersarse again this is just more swerving and out of context statements

Any vaccine will cause long term changes to the immune system. No one said they didn't. As always, I don't think you fully understand or indeed have read the paper you've linked, or appreciate it in the wider body of evidence.

This literally how the body responds to a foregin antigen - be it from a vaccine (mRNA, viral vector) or from an infection itself.

This is a completely seperate point to you spamming the thread with claims that a vaccine could cause someone to drop dead of a heart attack months/years later.

You have spent the last three years minimising COVID and trying to scare people who have been vaccinated, it's ridiculously irresponsible.

This

Omg what a waste of energy
Live your life

Of course there have been fatalities due to the vaccine. There always is. No medical intervention is without risk. That being said, daily mail is not a reliable source of info but nor is Google or any other partisan information outlet.

I'm a healthcare professional and have most certainly noticed some strange goings on.

The dramatic reduction in health services - or people staying away- during the pandemic is starting to take root now and it’s seen in excess deaths.

two examples : the thousands od cases of oral cancer picked up every year by dentists during routine checks. Dentists were completely shut save for life threatening emergencies for what - 9 months? And then it took nearly a year to catch up on appointments? Those undetected mouth cancer cases would be becoming terminal now if left undetected

melanoma - I am at very high risk and am supposed to have 6 monthly check ups at the hospital. I just had my first examination with a dermatologist for the first time in three years because of the pause in face to face then the backlog. If I’d had the misfortune of having a melanoma develop undetected in 2020 I’d be dead by now.

it’s not the vaccine

Covid is a respiratory disease that has been shown to have strong and sometimes lingering effects on the vascular system. People hospitalised with severe infections were more prone to strokes it was observed early on in the pandemic. And people with long-term vascular complications are more prone to strokes, heart failure, and all sorts of inflammatory and vascular problems.

It's not the vaccines, ie.

So as well as all those who could not access early detection, early intervention and treatment for numerous serious conditions, there are all those still dying of Covid and all those whose bodies are suffering multi-inflammatory effects from Covid infections, current and past.

Excess deaths are high in many countries so I don’t think we can use the state of the helth care as the reason as other countries do tb have the issues that we do. Clearly, there is something investigation to do and just like we can’t be sure it is the vaccines , we also can’t be sure it isn’t . The responsible thing to do is a thorough investigation.

Said with kindness, if you have health anxiety then the Daily Mail and the article comments thereafter are probably the very worst thing you can do to yourself.
I’m not sure if feeding your internal worries by starting a thread on mn will be helping much either, even if the majority of posters are refuting the nonsense the DM has posted.

My advice would be to hide this thread for now, block the DM from whatever source you are reading it from and switch your focus onto something that makes you feel calm and happy.

Why did you jump to vaccines as the most logical conclusive? Research has shown that heart issues following covid-19 infection are 7 x higher than those following the vaccine. I'm not saying that to stoke your health anxiety, I just find it interesting, especially as lots of people in this country didn't have the MRNA vaccines (especially at the start).

There are often 'blips' where deaths are higher in a year for no obvious reason, in this case thohgh there are several factors that have been put forward to explain them.

Less people died of flu and other seasonal illnesses that usually cause carnage during lockdown, sadly now they're back and more rampant and savage many who were susceptible to being very poorly from these are being hit.

The NHS is struggling, during the pandemic reports show that medication to control blood pressure etc was very much lower than expected compared to normal times. Although I don't think stats have been released for other drugs, this suggests that many couldn't or didn't seek preventative treatments which would usually reduce the risk of serious illness or death. Sadly this extends to things like cancer screening and pathways, time wise we are starting to see the major fallout from that. People are dying due to staff shortages and the crumbling of social care.

There are other potential reasons but to say- they're looking into it to try and find specific reasons so they can try to remedy it. Health anxiety isn't rational so really whatever we say won't help allay your irrational fear as such, I know it's more or less impossible to access it but there is effective support out there to help overcome it.

They don't all have the same specific problems with the healthcare system as we do, but in most of the comparable countries to the UK (and lots of others actually) access to routine healthcare was more limited for at least some of the pandemic period. Sometimes this looked like formal denial of access like eg dentists not allowed to do non-urgent work means oral cancers being missed, and sometimes it looked like people responding to state messaging about fear and not accessing health services that were at least in theory still available. On a population level this is going to add up. It can't not. It's inevitable that this would lead to excess deaths, because that's a consequence of the policy responses to covid. This would still be the case whatever the impact of the vaccine.

It's not because of the vaccines. (And it's also not because they changed the batteries in the birds and, while they were at it, inserted pellets so that when the birds shit they send out chemtrails that poison everybody.)

Not sure if this is of interest to anyone, re similar in US and Europe:

what can explain the excess mortality

You roleplaying the "hero protoganist of dystopian movie before they are woken and bring down the overlords" by any chance? @partiallysage

There is replicated evidence from multiple independent sources, that you can read, and even in some cases replicate the analysis if you were so inclined, that demonstrates vaccine effectiveness and side effect profile.

Most people accept that they are not experts in every area of life, and therefore trust the consensus scientific opinion which comes from synthesising all the most up to date evidence. Others do not, in which case they can read all the evidence in front of them and make a decision based on that. Whichever way you do it, it is clear that offering vaccination to the general population was hugely beneficial.

And others have said, I think gleeful anti-vaccine posts like that are generally pretty bad form, but even more so on a thread about someone's health anxiety @PartiallySage

@behappy1736 you're fine! People do get side effects from vaccines, but these happen within days/weeks. No components are hanging around in your body waiting to kick in and make you ill, it's not how they work

And if you don’t believe the government or scientists when they tell you vaccines are safe and effective why would you believe the same people when they tell you current variants are milder?

And if you don't believe scientists/doctors telling you one thing, why do you believe the handful of contrarians who are saying the opposite? @PartiallySage

As is common in these posts, skepticism and cynicism seems to fly out of the window when you have someone calling themselves doctor and saying things that go against "mainstream" views, their claims are blindly beleived, and copied onto forums and social media.

It's ironic when there's huge amount of money to be made from being a contrarian, but very little from accurate reporting.

Tory deaths that's what they are. Don't forget at the next election.

Even in the peak of the epidemic, covid wasn’t at the top of ‘cause of death’.

Ahem. c/- BBC"

"Since the start of the pandemic in March 2020, Covid has been the number one cause of death in England and Wales for six months (April, May, November and December 2020 and January and February 2021).

When there isn't a pandemic, the top causes of death are usually heart disease and dementia.

In the months when Covid has been the leading cause, it has generally been the leading cause by a long way.

In January 2021, for example, there were 27,277 Covid deaths in England and Wales, compared with 5,982 caused by the number two ranked killer, dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

Covid was the number one cause of death in Scotland in the same six months as it was for England and Wales."

Possible some of the ‘died suddenly’ are in acknowledged suicides

I had a heart attack 6 years ago... way before covid. I still had all the vaccines and boosters because I am vulnerable.

So when/if I have another heart attack (being real) is it likely to be due to underlying coronary artery disease, or because I had the covid vaccine?

I know which one it will be, and I damn well hope I don't get swept into someone else's shonky scaremongering statistics!!