My anxiety is sky high after reading the daily Mail article about excess deaths

[behappy1736]

I have health anxiety and I've been trying to distance myself from any media and news articles about the Vaccine.
Today it popped up on my phone about the record number of excess deaths are the highest ever, then I started reading the comments and the amount of people saying 'I told you so' and 'The truth is now coming out' on there is worrying 😩
I feel really panicky and over weekend at the thought of having 3 vaccines inside my body and now all this stuff is coming out about people dying of heart attacks for no reason.
I know there's nothing we can do now but

I'm just terrified.

😟

Esther McVey asked a question today in the Commons about this, asking for an investigation

twitter.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1617874878379565057?s=20&t=FptSx7x5nhmvK0vkYhShvQ

The answer was strange-just that is happening across Europe too. Which sort of makes the 'its the Tories ruining the NHS' argument difficult.

It needs investigating and no one can offer an explanation with any certainty

remember...bad news sells papers !
And the whole focus was on the chinese virus...whacked on every death cert !

Odd (but not entirely unexpected) that you don't bother adding the answer given, instead letting vaccine fearmongering wash over a thread with an already very worried OP.

"....range of factors - including an increase in 'flu, covid, and other healthcare conditions which are seen across Europe"

If vaccines were causes excess death globally, it would be obvious.

Waiting times/lists were much lower when Labour left power. Can you provide evidence for your claim?
"By 2009 – the total waiting list had nearly halved to 2.3 million, and the 18-week target continued to be met up until 2017. But from around 2012 the waiting list started to rise, nearly doubling to 4.34 million by February 2020"*
*Who were in power in 2012 and embarked on a damaging reform of the NHS?

Yes, and that was pre-financial crisis! The FC of 2008 (which started to have knockon effects from 2009-2010 onwards) changed a lot of things for the worse - permanently - in the UK. It was the tipping point for a lot of long-term issues that had been building up in the UK for decades (poor productivity growth, for example).

I'm planning on voting Labour in the next election too and have never voted Tory in my life. But I'm getting a bit pre-emptively worried about the serious, serious disillusionment that is about to be experienced by some people who appear to quite genuinely be under the impression that "if we can only get the bastard Tories out, all these problems are going to go away." Most of these problems run deep, and there are no easy answers.

There’s huge amounts of disinformation online about the supposed link between excess deaths and Covid vaccines. If the vaccines were causing significant health problems then the excess deaths would be much higher. Don’t bother reading tabloid articles on this, you’ll scare yourself something awful. The internet is also full of this junk.

Jeremy Hunt twitter.com/CartlandDavid/status/1617928655753338881?s=20&t=FptSx7x5nhmvK0vkYhShvQ

It needs investigating with an open mind and not with the mindset on this thread which is "it is definitely not the vaccines" It could be, or it could not be, no one knows, and an enquiry needs to happen

@hamstersarse I appreciate after three years of scaremongering about COVID vaccines you'd quite like to be vindicated, but these posts are ridiculous.

Side effects including death was monitored for in trials. Side effects including death was monitored from the billions of doses given after mass rollout.

A vaccine does not cause death months or years after it's been given. This is impossible. There sadly have been a minority of cases where someone has died after vaccination, but this occurs shortly afterwards by an established mechanism (e.g., CVST).

Stop trying to scare people.

Exactly this.

People are now dying of the same illnesses and diseases they have always been getting and surviving, only at the minute they aren't getting appropriate and timely healthcare due to the absolute decimation of the NHS.

I'm a paramedic and have seen this first hand, unfortunately. It has absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine, and if you have friends/acquaintances who are spreading these lies I would remove them from your online friends lists and severely limit contact with them.

Don't forget the post-war baby boomers are now in their late 60s/70s....

Seriously. If you are so worried about vaccine that you have already taken and still alive and kicking, read from credible source. You will be reassured.

Surely the fact it is everywhere negates vaccines. We are quite heavily AZ and then a Pfizer or Moderna top up. US is far more Moderna and Europe heavily Pfizer. There is no standard vaccine protocol

a look into the longer term implications of multiple Covid infections would be hood

I am alive BECAUSE I've had six vaccines. I'd be worried if I hadn't had them, if I had miraculously avoided dying from Covid. Still not stressed about it though.

Sorry you are feeling anxious OP but you will be fine.

They are actually in their late 50s up - 58 to 76, approximately. So not all falling off their perches.

A vaccine does not cause death months or years after it's been given. This is impossible

impossible?

Thats a big claim.

The Pandemrix vaccine, which was rushed out during the 2009 swine flu 'pandemic' caused narcolepsy in teenagers. And was only withdrawn in 2015 after being given to 70 million people.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix

So….possible

MRNA is a new technology, it is not like other vaccines

Personally I'd put it to a mixture of things. How many people now are ignoring symptoms that they would have seen a doctor for pre pandemic? Because it's such a ball ache seeing a GP and a phone call just doesn't cut it for some stuff, if you can get a phone call at all. Grabbing stuff from OTC and treating what it could be when in reality it could be a warning sign of something serious?

Add that to all the other shit that's going on, I'm not surprised people are dropped dead tbh. It's easy to point it towards what the monster shouters have been banging on about since covid started.

Any article in the DM about covid (actually, about a lot of things but this subject expecially) attracts the antivax/conspiracy theorist loons who aren't going to pump themselves full of the jab/don't want to be tracked by Gates/are just waiting for the jabbed majority to drop dead or are 'it's the start of the New World Order you'll own nothing and be happy and jabs are just the start you mark my words' types. Never read BTL DM comments unless you want to despair at some people's intelligence.

Your problem was reading the daily Mail.

For example - this week, other newspapers reported things like “a chance of snow”. The daily fail said “threat of snow”. Its entire business model is scaremongering because that sells. Even with SNOW in January, a month where we expect snow.

Other people have linked to more scientific data. I would really stop reading the daily Mail if i were you.

That article was heavily hedged with 'could' and 'might' and the last two lines were 'unlikely to happen in UK' IIRC. Media (including DM) knows that most people will read the headline and not all the way through - hence I keep telling people to read to the end of the article because that's usually where the truth is.

It’s not the vaccines. It’s really not.
this is wildly anecdotal, but I know someone in the funeral business. They are really busy, it is a mixture of flu, covid - so people mingling again, crap weather causing accidents, under staffed hospitals and ambulances at breaking point.

none of that is particularly reassuring, it’s not vaccines though.

But excess non-covid deaths are not just occurring in UK, so the problems we have with the NHS cannot be solely to blame. Figures are also up in many other countries.

If the covid variants around now are far milder, and the 'safe & effective' vaccines are doing their job, as we have been told, why these excess deaths in so many countries?

Wanting to know whether the increases in non-covid deaths (particularly in the younger age groups) are greater in those countries that have had a greater uptake of the MRNA vaccines is just... following the science surely?

@behappy1736 if it's any comfort my DH is a senior Cardiologist and he and all of our family are fully vaccinated. He has no concerns about the vaccine (in general population obviously some people are excepted).
Problems with NHS and the lack of social care are definitely having a big impact on life expectancy - I've witnessed it first hand. My mum's health has significantly declined from a minor injury (which she should have been able to recover from) and this has been due to delays and lack of treatment. This has precipitated a chain of events that means this is likely to be her last year with us. We have a few health professionals in the family and we all agree that the the healthcare/social care problems we have had have directly impacted on this and if as a family hadn't have had the resources and knowledge to intervene it would have been even worse.

Was this the answer a Tory gave by any chance? Weird they didn't choose to mention the collapse of the NHS and a meaningful social care system.

There are a large number of people who have failed to seek treatment during the pandemic, I think one stat I saw was that 40,000 fewer people were treated for cancer in 2020 than 2019. This result is that these people will now have much more serious cancers and be dying whereas they would have been treatable.

That is just the cancer number for 2020(not 2021!, which I think is a similar number) The same goes for breathlessness and chest pain (which can be heart related), so people have failed to go to the doctor for minor ailments....

So a large proportion is people not seeking treatment for things during the pandemic...

Its nothing to do with the Tories nor the NHS particularly as its the same across Europe.

Something is causing this uptick in excess deaths- whatever it is they either don’t know for sure yet or don’t want us to know. Anyone whose been watching Dr John Campbell on YouTube will have noticed a shift in tone. He mentions and questions the excess deaths data a lot. So far YouTube haven’t deleted any of his videos as he avoids speculation.

I personally don’t think it’s going to do us any favours long term to keep catching Covid if it is irrefutably proven to impact the immune system which is making people sicker and at higher risk for death hence the excess death data. The benign ‘it’s a cold’ experience so many have had may turn out to be something more tricky to deal with long term.

I’m fairly confident those in charge have the data already and this what is it discussion will be kicked along the road for a good while yet.

He mentions and questions the excess deaths data a lot. So far YouTube haven’t deleted any of his videos as he avoids speculation.
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To repeat:

John Campbell is someone who initially made helpful educational videos for nursing students, but quickly went down the anti-vaccine money making pipeline. He is not qualified to assess evidence, and this is very apparent in his videos.

Lots of threads on him on MN - his videos are full of basic errors, speculation, fake claims and conspiracy theories. This is unsuprising given he has no relevant qualifications on what he is talking about.

He earns tens of thousands of pounds a month from his monetised youtube channel. Sensible boring reporting does not clicks, wild claims do. It's deeply frustrating.