AIBU to be sick of people who think it's all back to normal?

[JanusTheFirst]

Woke to the news that my cousin died early this morning of Covid. No underlying conditions and she was vaccinated. But she was elderly. She hardly ever went out but must have picked it up on a rare outing to the local shop.

People are still dying and we should still be looking out for those vulnerable to this awful disease. It isn't all back to normal. My cousin is dead and she wouldn't be but for Covid.

I look forward to some of the posters on this thread being over 70 (obviously I won't know but ...) and finding out that, no, they aren't ready to die from something preventable. The lives of older people, it seems, are cheap and expendable when you're young.

Stop being so utterly selfish.

Oh behave. How patronising can you be. You have no idea of the age of posters. You've no idea if they are disabled or living with health conditions. Just own the fact that you are irrationally fearful of this one virus.

Not very subtle either though...

Don't feed it.

Friends who work as nurses for the NHS tell me of being hauled in for taking sick days, be it covid, flu, or any of the other awful bugs out there right now. Threatened with losing their jobs, being written up, etc

Even the NHS hasn't learned anything, so the rest of us have zero chance of hoping people will stay home. I know my school has lost all tolerance for it, Depressing as fuck.

True enough! I never learn!

Businesses were only able to operate with social distancing and number limits whilst being subsidised by government. Even then many failed.

You might have loved and want it back but how is this to be paid for?

Return of 6/8 - there's simply no public health justification for that. Limits on civil liberties are inly acceptable when the risk to public health is extreme. Which it is no longer.

It's so wrong when you're accused of not caring about the wider community if you don't test or wear a mask. I care very much about the wider community and the truth is that for the vast majority of the wider community COVID has now just become a footnote in history.

The authoritarian lockdowns decimated people's mental health and education. Little children were not properly socialised and missed the development window for it. So many self employed people and small businesses went under. The economic blow crippled the country and trade. The hundreds of thousands who had serious illnesses that went undiagnosed for too long. It just wasn't worth it.

Honestly, my primary concern is my family not yours.

If my husband and me don’t go to work we don’t get paid. We can barely afford to feed our family at the moment so don’t have money to buy tests.

Are you going to send me food to feed my children? I suspect the answer is no.

I know I will get hate for this but I honestly don’t care.

No hate from me. I’m yet to see why putting your own family first is ‘selfish’, but expecting you to put someone else’s first isn’t 🤷🏼‍♀️

I would argue that it has been the other way around.

In order to protect the over 80's and vulnerable from an illness with a 99% survival rate we have

Caused a massive upsurge in mental health problems amongst the young

Tanked the economy

Increased the rate of suicide in younger people

Tanked peoples businesses

Increased the rate of inflation to the point where having the heating on is no longer affordable for a great many people

Taken two years away from children which will have a massive impact on their education and social skills

Made work from home normal thereby isolating people

Increased rates of child abuse and domestic abuse as people couldnt escape.

Increase in cancer and other major illness deaths as people couldnt get treatment

Made a phone gp appointment 'the norm' meaning people are either not bothering, being misdiagnosed or going to a&e for stuff which should be dealt with by doctors if anyone could actually see one

Fractured families

We did that - us younger people stayed at home to protect the elderly but at great personal cost. We can do it no more. If people want to shut themselves away forever then that is their choice (my 75 year old inlaws have chosen this - while they wont catch covid their life is bloody dismal as they never leave the house, still disinfect their shopping and wont see their grandchildren due to fear).

It isnt that the lives of the over 70's are expendable - it is that the lives of the young should not be sacrificed any longer.

Do you want to finish off the hospitality industry?

Do you want the ridiculous 'rule of six' to apply to pubs and restaurants only, or do you want to control who we can have in our homes again?

@HisNameWasMike Doesn't take a genius to figure out that a number of posters in here are kicking back in the knowledge that old age is a long way off for them. And it is rather presumptuous of you to assert that I am 'fearful of one virus'. Where did I say that I was fearful? Being capable of understanding other people's fear, does not mean I share it. It's called empathy. You should try it.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Personally I would support the rule of six for private homes. There may also be some areas like Leicester where home visits need to be prohibited where the NHS is really struggling, on the advice of local nurses.

When you demand that people stay at home who have symptoms are you willing to pay a lot more tax to ensure that everyone get adequate sick pay?

Because not everyone gets full pay when off sick. So you're essentially telling people during a cost of living crisis that they need to give up some earnings to protect people they probably don't even know.

That's a huge ask. I think the people who ask this are living in a lovely middle class bubble where full pay for six months off sick is the norm. They simply can't grasp that it's a sacrifice others are not actually able to make without seriously harming their own welfare.

On the off chance that you're a control freak rather than a troll, do you really think people would go along with being told who they can have in their homes? I stupidly complied with the 'rule of six' last time and never saw my friend again as he died. Never again.

Applause for @forgotmyusername1

I assume @LondonCat7 is happy to pay 2 or three times the price for drinks and meals out if they are limited in capacity again, and that everyone is happy to do so, or the hospitality industry will crash. Never mind all those small business and jobs, London cat preferred the space and quicker service. You can however fuck all the way off with deciding how many people I may have in my house. Never again.

What a load of old twaddle this thread had turned into

I assume LondonCat7 is a goady fucker who is bored.

Trish Greenhalgh of Independent Sage now reporting a new covid variant called Kraken which is very serious. She says we all now need to be avoiding indoor mixing and large crowds.

Tweeps, the expert WhatsApp groups are kicking off. Kraken (XBB.1.5) is a variant of SARS-CoV-2 that you wouldn't want to catch. Cases are rising. It's time to ratchet up precautions. High-quality, close-fitting masks work. Avoiding crowds helps. Being outdoors helps. Stay safe.

twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1609629491420172290?s=46&t=2KBE-Tasfm5_LQiiqtmwoQ

"Personally I would support the rule of six for private homes. There may also be some areas like Leicester where home visits need to be prohibited where the NHS is really struggling, on the advice of local nurses"

Its been THREE years and yet no increase in capacity. Pull the kind of shit you are suggesting here and even more people will wonder why they should continue to bother with vaccines.

The lockdown lovers dont want to pay more tax so people can get sick pay That is why they prefer restrictions

And Trisha on Twitter goes on to say she's 'no expert' @LondonCat7

Then you'd cause huge numbers of pubs and restaurants to go bankrupt. They barely survived the lockdowns and that was with limited support/grants. It's a numbers game, they need to be busy to cover their costs and make a profit.