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If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

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Quweenie · 29/12/2022 18:05

If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

OP posts:
Outtasteamandluck · 04/02/2023 06:42

Yes

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 07:14

And then from a recently published study discussing herd and hybrid immunity:

Long duration after SARS-CoV-2 exposure (6 months) and immune response confounded by vaccination, this study revealed the antibody and T-cell responses in symptomatic and asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, defined by individual immune responses in the community that may result in long-term protection as hybrid immunity.

statementstate · 04/02/2023 08:13

@MinkyGreen WHO? They’re the least trustworthy source out there. Vaccine passports were their idea.

@sunglassesonthetable abuse? From whom?
you literally tagged me back into this convo. Quite clearly you’re looking for something from me, and if it’s abuse you want, then sorry you might have to consult one of your pro C19 vax cronies on here, because they’re the ones psychologically abusing anyone who opposes the “vaccine”. Must be getting paid.

HelpfulMonkey · 04/02/2023 08:13

@MinkyGreen love to hear your thoughts on the other Covid thread which got moved here (the one called covid news'), bit of cherry picking going on that very cherry picked study, which you didn't link just sort of posted a bit from which is the kind of thing other people get berated on here for when then have taken the other side of the 'debate'...

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 08:19

And more evidence here:

The data consisted of a large pool with potential hybrid immunity resulting from combined vaccination and natural infection. The authors found that previous BA.1 infection was the most protective factor against BA.2 infection (associated with a risk reduction of 72%), and gave greater protection than primary infection with pre-omicron SARS-CoV-2 (38%) or three doses of mRNA vaccine in individuals with no previous primary infection (46%). Hybrid immunity from BA.1 infection plus two to three vaccine doses similarly increased the estimated effectiveness to 96% for longer than 5 months.

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 08:24

And here:

"Protection against hospitalization and severe disease remained above 95 per cent for 12 months for individuals with hybrid immunity," says Dr. Lorenzo Subissi, MSc, PhD, WHO-Scientist and senior author on the study. "We know more variants are going to emerge. The study shows to reduce infection waves, vaccinations could be timed for roll-out just prior to expected periods of higher infection spread, such as the winter season."

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 08:50

you literally tagged me back into this convo. Quite clearly you’re looking for something from me, and if it’s abuse you want, then sorry you might have to consult one of your pro C19 vax cronies on here, because they’re the ones psychologically abusing anyone who opposes the “vaccine”. Must be getting paid.

Yep shouldn't of actually tagged you. Apologies.

Yep as well as pages of dull AF tirade you're pretty nasty.

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 08:51

But in answer to the OP - we'll take that as a 'No' ?

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 08:54

Genuinely thought you and Roses might be the same person though. 😄

Xenia · 04/02/2023 08:57

Minky, that makes sense. We probably all know that with the MMR vaccine for example it gives 90% protection (which is why my son got mumps at university despite having the MMR vaccine) whereas someone who has caught mumps has , I believe, zero risk of getting it. So having covid might well give more protection than a vaccine for that strain of covid.

it must be hard to study this as in the UK 91% of adults had a vaccine for covid - I am in the rare 9% category who did not. (I had covid last summer, July, once). I would imagine by now Jan 2023 the 2 of the family who got it then who had not had the vaccine are probably in the same position as the other 2 who got it then who had had the vaccine and all boosters particularly as the vaccine probably works for 6 months. The 4 of us are a good study as we only had covid once ever - last July and half had no vaccine at all and the other half all the boosters etc. We are probably now on a par with each other.

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 09:00

Both steam rolling this thread in an absolute obsessive diatribe of verbiage.

Good for you.👍🏻One tiny dusty corner of the internet flooded with nonsense.

Tbh no one cares. The numbers speak for themselves.

RafaistheKingofClay · 04/02/2023 09:56

Immunity from coronaviruses through infection is notoriously short lived. It can be as little as 12 weeks. Which is where the 90 days came from for testing positive in 2020. It was one of the big questions back at the start of the pandemic. Would ‘natural’ immunity with SARS COV2 be similar to seasonal coronaviruses or would it provide longer immunity? It became evident by about 2021/2022 that it was looking like immunity acted exactly like you’d expect immunity to a coronavirus to.

MMR is slightly different in that those viruses are stable so you don’t have the additional complication of a rapidly evolving virus that can evade immunity from vaccines and previous infection. The original vaccines for covid were pretty good at preventing you getting covid when the circulating strains were a good match. They became less effective at that with delta bust were still good at preventing severe disease and less effective again with omicron, to the point that you needed 3 vaccines to get a similar effect to the protection against delta. I think the omicron booster is pretty effective, but again there are 1 or 2 strains currently circulating that the vaccines are less effective against.

Xenia · 04/02/2023 10:20

Thanks RafaistheKingofClay. So I think you are saying the 2 of us who had covid in July who were not vaccinated would have had immunity to October 2022. How long would those who had had the vaccination well before that (one had had their last booster Jan 2021 which was 3rd jab)?
I suspect all those 3 jabs would have worn off by July 2022 (just as the flu jab only works for the winter etc) so the vaccinated in the family who got covid in July 2022 would have had the same few months to Oct 2022 to be protected.

No one in the family is now vulnerable so not having boosters obviously now anyway.

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 10:24

This is also very recent:

A new study from researchers at Oregon Health & Science University suggests that immunity to COVID-19 becomes stronger with increasing time between vaccination and infection. These findings have important implications for vaccine recommendations as the pandemic moves towards becoming a constant presence.
Study suggests people who have had COVID-19 benefit from vaccination, even if they’ve delayed it.

Immunity from COVID-19 appears to gather strength with more time between vaccination and infection, a new laboratory study from researchers at Oregon Health & Science University suggests. The findings carry implications for vaccine recommendations as the pandemic transitions to an endemic state.

Researchers measured the antibody response in blood samples for a group of people who gained so-called “hybrid immunity” through two means: either vaccination followed by a breakthrough infection, or by getting vaccinated after contracting COVID-19. They measured the immune response in blood samples of 96 generally healthy OHSU employees and found that the immune response was uniformly stronger the longer the time period between vaccination and infection. The longest interval measured was 404 days.

Their findings suggest that vaccine boosters should be spaced no more frequently than a year apart, at least among healthy people.

“Longer intervals between natural infection and vaccination appear to strengthen immune response for otherwise healthy people,” said co-senior author Fikadu Tafesse, Ph.D., associate professor of molecular microbiology and immunology in the OHSU School of Medicine.

The study came just before an advisory panel for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) met on Thursday, January 26, to consider the nation’s COVID-19 vaccine strategy going forward.

Published in the Journal for Clinical Investigation Insight, the new research is the latest in a series of laboratory discoveries by OHSU scientists revealing a pattern of strengthened immune response through hybrid immunity. Their findings suggest that the magnitude, potency, and breadth of hybrid immune response all increased with a longer time period between exposure to the virus — whether through vaccination or natural infection.

This likely is related to the body’s immune response maturing over time, said co-senior author Marcel Curlin, M.D., associate professor of medicine (infectious diseases) in the OHSU School of Medicine and medical director of OHSU Occupational Health.

“The immune system is learning,” Curlin said. “If you’re going to amplify a response, what this study tells us is that you might want to boost that response after a longer period of learning rather than early after exposure.”

Further, the research team found that it didn’t matter whether someone developed hybrid immunity by getting vaccinated after contracting COVID-19 or after a breakthrough infection following vaccination. Both groups developed an equally potent immune response.

The findings suggest long-lasting potency of so-called “memory cells,” the B cells that recognize an invading virus and generate protein antibodies to neutralize the virus and its many variants. The authors write that an ever-growing pool of people who have contracted the SARS-CoV-2 virus stand to benefit from vaccination, even if they’ve delayed it until now.

Relying on natural infection alone is a bad idea, “given the risks of severe illness, long-term complications, and death,” the authors write.

The researchers say the findings are the latest to point toward the virus evolving to an endemic state.

statementstate · 04/02/2023 11:55

@sunglassesonthetable let this be the last time we have any interaction. Do not tag me any more, I will not tag you. Don't comment on anything further I might say, I will do the same. I don't have these kinds of interactions in real life, so I am not going to do it online with you.

All the best

statementstate · 04/02/2023 12:10

@MinkyGreen that research from Oregon Health & Science University was co signed by the crook Anthony Fauci. It was also from April 2021. Things have changed since then and this research is no longer relevant.

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 12:56

No it was published 2023.

You need to get your facts straight.

An extended interval between vaccination and infection enhances hybrid immunity against SARS-CoV-2 variants
Timothy A. Bates,1 Hans C. Leier,1 Savannah K. McBride,1 Devin Schoen,2 Zoe L. Lyski,1 David D. Xthona Lee,1 William B. Messer,3 Marcel E. Curlin,2 and Fikadu G. Tafesse1
Published January 26, 2023.

No mention of Fauci.

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 13:03

*this be the last time we have any interaction. Do not tag me any more, I will not tag you. Don't comment on anything further I might say, I will do the same. I don't have these kinds of interactions in real life, so I am not going to do it online with you.

All the best*

As I said apologies for the tag.

You probably shouldn't give out in such a maniacal and critical way ( hands etc you know what I mean) if you want compliance. Do you do that in real life?

But actually i'll comment on anything I like.

Florissant · 04/02/2023 13:41

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 12:56

No it was published 2023.

You need to get your facts straight.

An extended interval between vaccination and infection enhances hybrid immunity against SARS-CoV-2 variants
Timothy A. Bates,1 Hans C. Leier,1 Savannah K. McBride,1 Devin Schoen,2 Zoe L. Lyski,1 David D. Xthona Lee,1 William B. Messer,3 Marcel E. Curlin,2 and Fikadu G. Tafesse1
Published January 26, 2023.

No mention of Fauci.

There you go again, MinkyGreen, with your pesky facts!

(Just joking - I think you are great and applaud you for keeping calm in the face of idiocy.)

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 14:01

Just joking - I think you are great and applaud you for keeping calm in the face of idiocy.)

Too right

statementstate · 04/02/2023 14:49

@MinkyGreen ok, I'm wrong sorry, I thought it was referring the 2021 study that I know about. I didn't read through your text admittedly, which is very silly of me. I apologise.

However, most of these researchers/med professionals of this study + more, are bought and paid for by Pfizer. The study screams reporting and information bias from having a look at past studies these guys been involved in over the past 2-3 years, these researchers have a conflicts of interest being Pfizer funded.

I could drop many contrary research studies here, but I don't want to be here all day. More importantly, I am not aiming at proving any point, so I don't bother with showing people the evidence.

But if you beg me, I might :)

statementstate · 04/02/2023 14:51

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sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 15:22

Like I said Abuse Incoming.

So you would say something like that in real life? Statementstate.

The total authoritarian who can't hack disagreement.

sunglassesonthetable · 04/02/2023 15:28

I could drop many contrary research studies here, but I don't want to be here all day. More importantly, I am not aiming at proving any point, so I don't bother with showing people the evidence.

Is this parody? You could have fooled most posters on this thread.

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 15:35

No - no begging!

I think it’s clear that I’ll never change my mind, and neither will you!

Look - I do think it’s important to have an alternative thought process and to challenge. Otherwise nothing would change or improve. But I want to see those alternative thought processes BECOME the consensus before they are taken as the safest advice. They need to be rigorously tested/and have the securest possible backing - not simply controversial or fringe sources. It’s a case of what is the safest thing to do AT THIS POINT IN TIME : and if a niche study starts to carry weight, and gets more and more backing - then that will help improve things for the future.

I guess ultimately you and I want the same thing. Freedom and a healthy world, and to learn from the past to build a better future.

And I don’t think a spiral of negativity and insults is the way forward. So I apologise because I am guilty of that.

To me, that study does give hope either way - vaccinated or not - we are achieving a state of hybrid immunity.

@statementstate

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