If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

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If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

I believe that Minky does believe what they are saying, but the way people have learned to be so sneary an patronising and blow up personal viewpoints as dangerous to shut them down is 100% what leftist media turns you into.

Oh, nonsense. This is an example of hyperbole and silliness and has no basis in reality.

Yes definitely

Yes. I needed it to go on holiday. No side effects. Mind you I've also never had Covid either to my knowledge.

On reflection and the balance of evils, I would still take the first because of past lung issues.

I won't take any more boosters. It has without a doubt, as it documented, caused a myriad of issues for people. While that that might be a relatively small %, it's enough to scare me.

My best friends father died of MND specifically linked to his vaccination.

👏👏👏spot on!

All this shows is correlation.

I can share my own correlation: I made applesauce over the weekend and now my work computer isn't working.

That sounds like a frightening and debilitating condition and nothing like your fucking computer.
How callous can you be.

@theemmadilemma

I'm very sorry to hear about your friend's father, but I absolutely do not believe that any credible medical professional would state that a case of motor neurone disease was specifically linked to his vaccination.

@itwasntmetho thank you . Yes it's been hugely anxiety making and I did say in my post I really have no idea if it's connected , but it was enough for me to think there 'may ' be a connection. You only have to Google the amount of previously fit and well people who have had many neuro issues similar to mine straight after covid or vaccine to understand why 'some' people may mentally be linking them in their mind. - I am not an anti vaxxer by the way- had all 4

You only have to Google the amount of previously fit and well people who have had many neuro issues similar to mine straight after covid or vaccine to understand why 'some' people may mentally be linking them in their mind. - I am not an anti vaxxer by the way- had all 4

" You only have to google"

That's the crucial phrase here.

It's not scientific, it's anecdotal, it's out of context and it's not robust scientific research. It's just "googling".

You can stand at a bar and someone can tell you about their aunty. It's the same.

As my mum says - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing .

Read the Covid thread and you see that over and over again.

It's all self-reported correlational nonsense.

I could Google "UFO sightings". Would that be proof enough for you to believe that UFOs exist? These sightings have been around a lot longer than Covid, too.

I re-visited this thread with no particular feelings about the topic but now I definitely support MinkyGreen and sympathise with the amount of nonsense they've had to put up with.

@itwasntmetho

What I think is far, far more callous, or in fact harmful and dangerous is : attributing or encouraging others to attribute medical conditions to the vaccine without proper evaluation by a qualified expert/doctor/coroner.

Fortunately that has been done in a global scale and that then feeds our NHS guidelines - and then if you don’t believe them, you can see that the advice is the same across Europe - and then if you doubt that, you can see it’s the same globally.
There is sufficient and overwhelming global data to support the fact that the vaccine is safe and effective.
While you think an applesauce/computer comparison may be flippant - I think you need to consider the implications of what you may be encouraging others to
believe - and whether you are properly qualified/or simply have too much confidence in your medical analysis of the situation.

Thank you, @MinkyGreen. Nice to see a sane posts amidst the dross.

Specifically linked to the vaccine you say, any evidence for that? Nah thought not. I do agree that for people who are low risk there should be a logical discussion about the risk benefit, all vaccines have side effects but covid also has a plethora of nasty after effects of which as the vaccines reduce the severity you can protect yourself from. It will depend on the individual though whether the risk of the jab or covid is greater- generally though heart issues for example are 7 x more likely to occur after infection than vaccine.

I wish that people understood (not you, @Bananaparma) that anecdata do not equal evidence.

But I guess that's like expecting them to understand the difference between correlation and cause-and-effect.

@sunglassesonthetable I don't disagree- the fact I would have stuck at 2 may be personal and totally illogical but we are all entitled to a personal choice. No doubt if I had remained 100% hunky dory health wise I would probably have felt differently. Im not saying it is the cause at all, in fact I've quite categorically said it very may well not be, but it's certainly coloured and played into the mix how I feel on a personal level . I wasn't aware we all had to feel the same

@Crikeyalmighty you do all have to feel the same, and do as you are told unless you want a nasty pile on of spiteful aggressive comments on here!

Yes to the first one , makes me worry about further boosters though as it seems that the AZ one has been removed from the UK programme? I do wonder about that.
I expect to continue with the flu jabs though and will take up the pneumonia one.
I think all "the big money" swirling about anything to do with jabs, masks , ppe is a concern even though I am not against Pharmaceutical companies as there are so many brilliant drugs that help people and save lives.

. I wasn't aware we all had to feel the same

Of course we don't @Crikeyalmighty. And people clearly don't. But it doesn't mean I can't point out what stands out to me .

you do all have to feel the same, and do as you are told unless you want a nasty pile on of spiteful aggressive comments on here!

God alive. stop feeling so hard done by. People clearly do not have to feel the same. But MN is also an arena for robust discussion.

And the fact of the matter at this point in time is that literally billions of doses of vaccine robustly outweighs the " oh my neighbour now has heart trouble " stories. That may change but right now the evidence doesn't stack up.

@sunglassesonthetable Well the stats regulator has just told off the ONS for misleading data, so it's no wonder people are scared and confused, so put downs and nasty, overblown responses aren't really suitable in this situation

Who's doing put downs?

The whole situation is confusing and worrying for everyone. There's been lots of mistakes and f'ups. Still doesn't make shit true.