If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

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If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/critics-claim-covid-jabs-causing-heart-problems-do-have-proof/

this is interesting. Not sure what to make of it. It seems to me that no one knows anything.

"Experts admit that they are still unsure whether there are long term heart risks associated with the vaccine.

The British Heart Foundation is now looking into whether myocarditis – caused by either the vaccine or the virus – can cause scarring of the heart muscle, which might lead to future health problems.

Certainly that is what some experts fear is happening and why they want the issue taken more seriously.

Dr Malhotra believes the jab can rapidly speed up the development of heart disease, and now includes vaccine damage in his diagnoses of patients.

“When you’ve got a pre-dose angiogram and a post-dose one that shows damage that usually takes years to trigger, you have to think of the most likely explanation,” said Dr Malhotra."

Hardly fills one with confidence!

Yes, there has been much research ongoing to understand various aspects of carditis and heart complications associated with COVID and the coronavirus vaccines. We already know that carditis is a side effect of vaccination.

Assem Malhotra on the other hand - he has no evidence behind the claims he is making (I have read his statements, and have yet to seem anything backed up by evidence).

I can't read the Telegraph article as it's behind a paywall, but I would hope it is report accurately - that Malhotra is making this claims and lobbying for an end to all coronavirus vaccination, but there is no evidence behind these statements.

He is making a career out of going against the scientific consensus and was doing this long before COVID. He charges $10,000- $20,000 for speaking events, and is drumming up much publicity for his latest books. It's frustrating and irritating that the Telegraph are giving him air time tbh.

"While Dr Malhotra acknowledges that other causes are a factor, he remains convinced that vaccines are also playing a role.

He cites Pfizer’s own trial data, which showed there were four cardiac arrests in those who took the vaccine compared with just one in the placebo group.

And he points to a controversial study published in the journal Circulation by the US cardiologist Dr Stephen Gundry, who claimed that inflammatory markers in his patients soared after they received vaccines – taking their five-year heart attack risk from 11 per cent to 25 percent.

“That is a massive jump,” he said. “If I decided to smoke 40 cigarettes a day, ate junk food, drank and didn’t exercise I couldn’t get anywhere near that.”

The Gundry study was heavily criticised, and has been significantly amended to make clear the biomarker increases were observational, there was no control group, no unvaccinated patients were included, and no statistical comparison was conducted"

Seems a fairly balanced article and to be fair, this statment by the BHF doesn't appear to be backed by evidence. "Covid itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine. It is estimated that vaccination in Britain saved 112,000 lives in the first year alone." Study here pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

As for the later part "It is estimated that vaccination in Britain saved 112,000 lives in the first year alone" - this is based on modeling, not evidence.

He cites Pfizer’s own trial data, which showed there were four cardiac arrests in those who took the vaccine compared with just one in the placebo group.

Give me strength. It has been pointed out to him, over and over again, that deaths occurring in the post-authorisation data were found to not be causally associated with vaccination.

If you follow up tens of thousands of people for a year, there will be individuals who die. This is the same whether they are part of a vaccine trial or whether they are 10 thousand people who bought a dog 12 months ago.

If the vaccines caused cardiac arrest in the numbers he is claiming, it would be obvious from population level data.

This is what I mean about Malhotra. It's a crying shame because vaccine related side effects must be taken seriously and people deserve proper investigation and treatment, but all he is doing is undermining them.

@rockly I hear you loud and clear. Just trying to give you bits of the article as I've no idea how to share it all. Having said that, the myocarditis rates are ten times what they would be expected annually according to the BHF and of course, they and Malhotra agree there could be multi-factorial reasons for this - stress, lack of NHS diagnosis/treatment, alcohol and drug use etc. Still needs investigating, especially as the excess deaths are so much higher than normal. I don't really care who is bringing the issue to the press, so long as it is brought to the press and discussed.

@rockly Malhotra is already wealthy. I find it hard to believe that he is risking his medical career and committing career suicide to pocket cash on baseless claims with no evidence. He loses way more than he gains for back peddling on his initial “pro-vaccine” standpoint. What would he and all the experts who want the vaccine to be pulled have to gain? How would it benefit them individually if there was a halt on boosters? There is no incentive, or agenda.

There are vaccine injured people across the globe and it is being reported everywhere.

Maybe you need to look up some recent studies on the findings related to the vaccine.

Here's what the BHF actually said about myocarditis and the vaccine, less than a month ago, on its own website.

www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

"There have been rare cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) following the Moderna and (even more rarely) Pfizer vaccines in the UK. Myocarditis has also been listed as a rare possible side effect of the Novavax vaccine, after a very small number of cases were reported during clinical trials.

Reports of myocarditis following any Covid-19 vaccine remain rare, and the people who have had this this have usually experienced a mild illness. Those affected have usually quickly felt better with rest and simple treatments.

Research suggests that overall, myocarditis is no more likely to be triggered by a Covid vaccine by than any other vaccine. It's also worth noting that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine is, and people who are vaccinated have a much lower risk of getting other serious complications caused by Covid-19.

What is the risk of getting myocarditis or pericarditis after the vaccine?
The risk of getting myocarditis or pericarditis after the vaccine is very low.

According to the MHRA's Yellow Card reporting summary, even in the highest-risk age group (18-29), there were just 29 reports of suspected myocarditis or pericarditis for every million second doses of the Pfizer vaccine given in the UK up until 23 November 2022. The risk is even lower following a monovalent Pfizer booster, with just 17 reports per million people in this age group. In other age groups the risk is even lower.

For Moderna, there were 70 cases of suspected myocarditis or pericarditis for every million second doses given in the UK, in this age group. As with the Pfizer vaccine, the risk is much lower after a booster, with just 20 reports per million monovalent Moderna boosters given (up until 23 November 2022). In other age groups the risk is even lower.

The World Health Organisation has reviewed data from 744,235 doses of the Novavax vaccine given in Australia, Canada, the European Union, New Zealand, and South Korea up until 30 April 2022. Amongst these recipients, there were four reports of myocarditis, 29 reports of pericarditis, and two reports of myopericarditis. More recent data from Australia (until 21 August 2022) showed seven cases of myocarditis and 26 cases of probable pericarditis after 209,000 doses of the Novavax Covid vaccine.

Serious cases of myocarditis after the vaccine so far have been exceptionally rare, although more research is being carried out into the long-term effects."

Of course, as the risk of developing heart issues is high following Covid itself, that may be where the" ten times higher" figure comes from.

If I could go back I wouldn’t get the vax. Only had the first 2 but it absolutely was coercion. I knew it was wrong for me due to autoimmune and clotting issues but doctors and public health just said over and over again I had to have them. Massive, massive regrets.

NHS Cardiologist Aseem Malhotra, Prof Angus Dalgliesh NHS Oncologist, ex-Pfizer Scientist Dr Michael Yeadon, embalmer’s worldwide, and many others have all reported their findings since the rollout of the c-19 vaccines. What would they possibly have to gain by making these claims? Makes one wonder.

Yes, all six.

I'm immunosuppressed which means I catch everything easily - I've had covid nine times. But every single infection has been easily manageable at home, and two were asymptomatic (only knew I had it because I test weekly before injecting my drugs).

Compared to how ill I to get with a simple cold it's been astonishing. I know people younger than me with my condition who died from covid prior to vaccines.

I'll take any I'm offered going forward, and gladly.

I wouldn't because and it is anecdotal.. the people i know who are un vaccinated, are fighting off Covid infection very easily now, the ones vaccinated are not.

The current vaccines don't stop transmission and in people who aren't in the vulnerable category, don't limit the symptoms of covid.

Even the govt say the NHS is struggling with CV infections, yet we have excellent vaccine coverage... esp in the older age groups.

I wont be having any more vaccines.

None of these people are "eminent", and they all make claims that are not backed up by any kind of evidence.

Yeadon is the one who claimed that vaccinated people would all die within 2 years, and simultaneously, that the vaccines were being used to track them (you would think not much use if everyone is dead).

Malhotra isn't an "NHS cardiologist", he hasn't worked for the NHS for years and doesn't see patients. I have read his publications on this - they're ludicrous.

What would they possibly have to gain by making these claims?

It's insane to me that people still genuinely ask this question. They are making a career out of going against scientific consensus and being a contrarian. People did it long before COVID - and they continue to do it now. Being a professional anti-vaccine person is lucrative if you have credentials, and there are often no consequences.

Malhotra charges tens of thousands of pounds to speak at events, he has released books, he has got huge amounts of publicity doing this. And it's not the first time - it's just a repeat of his fake claims about heart health (and subsequent book, publicity tour) he did five or so years ago.

Deeply depressing, but grifters gotta grift etc etc.

Wealthy people still like to make money, and he needs to have a career in something.

He isn't risking his medical career - he doesn't see patients - and there is little consequence for people who use their credentials to make money out of disinformation.

He is not new to this game, and as others have said, disagreeing with evidence based medicine and gaining lots of publicity is incredibly lucrative.

It wasn't "career suicide" when he did this back in 2015 regarding his claims abotu CHD, and unfortunately it isn't career suicide now.

What would he and all the experts who want the vaccine to be pulled have to gain? How would it benefit them individually if there was a halt on boosters? There is no incentive, or agenda.

It is bonkers that you are unable to appreciate this. There is a very obvious agenda and incentive because you can make an entire career out of being a high-profile contrarian, as described above and by other posters.

Maybe you need to look up some recent studies on the findings related to the vaccine.

I'm a research scientist, I follow developments regarding COVID and the coronavirus vaccines pretty closely. There is no robust evidence suggesting vaccination should not have been offered to the general population, or that no-one should recieve boosters now. It's incredibly unethical to mislead in the way he's doing.

There are vaccine injured people across the globe and it is being reported everywhere.

Yes - and there is good quality, robust research going on to identify vacccine related side effects, prevalence, risk groups, causal mechanisms etc @statementstate

By spreading disinformation Malhotra is actively harming progress in this area, he's a crank and grifter, using people for his own agenda.

100% yes

Pretty lucrative. I also feel that he turned a corner after his father's death. He originally blamed in ambulance delays. He thsn moved onto the vaccine. Clearly both those options were better than his high fat duet and stopping statins.

Proves the point perfectly @Sleeplessinthesouth71 !

Malhotra basically needs to do 5-6 days work a year chatting crap about vaccines to make more than he would annually as a generously paid medic or scientist.

Career suicide, or making a tidy profit for very little work? (as long as you're prepared to throw your morals out the window...)

Sadly true @bronzepig

No.

I felt forced into it because we lost liberties if we didn't have it i.e. eating in restaurants.

This has made me angry in hindsight, how it was used as a weapon to control people. It would be more understandable if it stopped transmission but it didn't.

Also, from a personal perspective I was much iller from the vaccine that I ever was from either bout of covid. My first was pre vaccine and I had no symptoms and my second time getting it was one year after the vaccine and I just had a sore head. In fact, I have contracted more minor viruses in the last year than I ever have.

I am not anti vax by the way, I am just pro choice. We basically didn't have a choice.

@rockly it IS career suicide, because if he simply riding the monetised wave of "misinformation" at some point there will be a reckoning as far as the vaccines are concerned. It isn't something he will be able to just sweep under the carpet. This stance is a permanent one because the whole world and its citizens are involved and the truth will unfold before our eyes, one was or another.

There is nothing to gain taking a hard stance against these vaccines.

On the other side of things though, many people, organisations, businesses have struck gold on profits from the pandemic, and still continue to do so. For whom is it ok to profit from the pandemic? Who is allowed to, according to you?

Wonderful that you are a research scientist, but there are other scientists and experts who have a different view point to yours, based on robust evidence. The level of misinformation spread from government officials who were backed by scientists these past few years is astonishing. Some of us don't forget and can't be brainwashed into blindly conforming any longer. At some point critical thinking (bet you love that phrase) sets in. All the sums do not add up.

Thank you for your input.

@Sleeplessinthesouth71 I am sure that has always been his fee... he didn't become a medical professional speaking on heart related topics after Covid came along. He was a cardiologist, an expert. Experts speak at conferences, events etc... Or were you not aware?

I don't think you have proved the point you think you have with that little screenshot.

You seem unwilling to appreciate what people are explaining to you.

You are paid nothing to speak at conferences. In fact, you have to pay for the privilege of attending. I recently gave a presentation at a medical sciences type conference - in total it cost me ~ £3000 (which I expensed). My salary also isn't great.

As I said in my PP, Malhotra only needs to do 5-6 days work a year chatting crap about vaccines to make more than he would annually as a generously paid medic or scientist.

He is making a career out of this as many anti-vaccine campaigners do - I think I'm going to borrow an oft used phrase here - open your eyes.

@statementstate. I suspect he has more gigs now though.