If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

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If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

Hashimoto's, which I also have, is unfortunately very common in women. It tends to hit at any time of hormonal disruption (pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, IVF, peri-menopause, menopause). It can be triggered mysteriously or by a virus or infection.

As is mentioned above, doctors are trained to look for patterns. If they are suddenly diagnosing many more cases of Hashimoto's in a month than they do on average, they are going to be digging down and flagging up common factors. I suppose it's possible the vaccine brought it on, but the odds are pretty high that having Covid itself would have had the same effect if you have a predisposition. Autoimmune issues tend to run in families and for most of us, we don't have to look too far in our family trees to find someone else with one, or, often, someone who, looking back, should have been diagnosed with one--many women struggle to get good diagnoses on things like thyroid issues.

On a side note, it's my experience that the NHS is not always great on treating people to optimal levels, so it's important to advocate for yourself if you still feel unwell after being told you are stabilised.

In my Trust (because yes, I'm NHS and Occ Health are fully aware of my issues and status as "only" double-jabbed) at one point (thankfully before I joined) you had to be double-jabbed+boostered to be patient facing. Most medical staff have had minimal options really.

Like I say - Occ Health and my line manager are fully aware of my issues - line manager was absolutely gobsmacked when she saw the state of my hands mid-flare up and honestly didn't believe that could happen. If they push mandating boosters and onward jabs again - I'll have to be either unemployed, redeployed to be non-patient facing (which isn't really an option in my role) or step across into the private sector doing tele therapy - which moves me out of the client group I love working with (and I'm fucking good at) but would make me a shitload more cash.

It's a month+ wait for a telephone appointment at my GP surgery, and then the appointments generally are hit or miss if they'll happen and it's another month wait if they decide to see you face-to-face... so I've just slogged on through it all feeling crap. I've gone past anger - now I've just given up to be honest.

Like I say - it could have been anything that hit me with a side effect - in my case it happened to be this and it was in such a politicised and toxic environment... which just makes me feel even crapper really.

I won't allow the kids to have it incidentally on the basis that I've reacted this badly and they're about 50% me so I wasn't prepared to take that risk on that basis. Might have been different if I'd reacted to a longer-established jab with more historical data behind it but the combination of me reacting plus the fact it's a new jab meant that me and DH made the joint decision to decide no.

Fair amount of nurses/medics in my trust who haven't been jabbed or had boosters including me. No-one is stopped from being patient facing because of it, haven't heard of that policy at all now they've scrapped the ridiculous mandatory thing.

Was I think for the period when the mandatory thing looked like happening and I assume was the top bods in ours trying to get ahead of the curve. That's the usual logic that goes on around our parts!

Genuinely have no idea why my post got deleted for explaining how mrna vaccines work 😂 even Youtube and Reddit are allowing this now.

The poster asked why this vaccine is different and I answered. A traditional vaccine does not result in your own body producing part of the thing it's protecting you from.

Yes as well as health benefits it allowed me to travel !

I never had the jabs and don't regret that decision. I had already encountered the virus in 2020 and made antibodies to it but was asymptomatic. I am also a needle phobe and couldn't face the idea of having to have multiple jabs. I had Covid a few months ago and it wasn't too bad, although I'd rather not have it again too soon!

Are you a working scientist in a relevant field?

The oldest vaccines were infected fluids from patients - the idea being that giving someone a slightly lower dose of a pathogen would result in immunity without death. Obviously risky.

We then moved to attenuated pathogens or taking bits of them to stimulate an immune response. These still have a chance of causing disease (reverting to active version, toxicity etc).

Using mRNA transcripts - so the body can make a protein to stimulate an immuen response - rather than risking any exposure to part of the pathogen - represented the next step in making safer, more effective vaccines.

It just boggles my mind that even still someone will wade in without relevant info, and assume that for some reason, tens of thousands of scientists have got it wrong and need to put right by someone with acccess to the internet.

Rofling at the fact that Youtube and Reddit allowing something makes it OK.
I expect Twitter "allows" it too.
However, if you want to know why your post was deleted, ask HQ. At a guess because it was anti-vax lies?

If I could go back in time I’d have every vaccination I’ve ever had plus those my children have had. No problems whatsoever. Just gratitude

represented the next step in making safer, more effective vaccines.

I'm sure that was their intention.

What "boggles my mind" is that people believe what we ended up with is better.

Even if I concede they're safe and forget that they rolled them out when other countries were saying no X for females of X age and no Y for males of Y age... anyone calling them effective with a straight face at this point isn't worth arguing with.

It's like advertising a raincoat which isn't in the least bit waterproof and then claiming "but it's 100% effective at preventing sunburn!!!!" Okay great but I wasn't that bothered about preventing sunburn because sunscreen has always sufficed and I'm not even going anywhere sunny. I wanted a raincoat to stop me getting wet. It's not effective at doing what it was needed to do, and they still banned people from venues and sacked them from jobs. People who were extremely unlikely to actually need the kind of protection it offered.

@somethingslastforever

anyone calling them effective with a straight face at this point isn't worth arguing with.

Again - this is baffling to me.

You are ignoring replicated, independent analysis done by hundreds of research groups worldwide that demonstrates just how effective vaccination was in reducing adverse outcomes.

It is ironic that people claim to be open minded, not followers or sheeple etc, but all they are doing is following the statements made by contrarians who do not have robust evidence to back up their views.

Yup, no issue with my decision to get vaccinated and don't know anyone who regrets it either.

I find it interesting someone above referenced the opposite saying they were in a medical field, as I am too.

It's very clear the difference they made on a population level too, so still in very much in agreement with decisions made on groups offered it (although some of the delays were incredibly frustating)

No, I'm actually open to the possibility/ probability that it reduced adverse outcomes. I believe it was likely some combination of the vaccine + a milder strain + that it had already ripped through carehomes where people were most at risk which helped us turn a corner. In my analogy that would be "but it protects you from sunburn". That's great. Credit where credit is due.

But we needed them to stop people actually getting it and spreading it. Like every other vaccine I DID have (because I'm not an anti-vaxer!) has done effectively. That is what it was supposed to do i.e it was advertised as an effective raincoat.

Vaccination reduced both transmission and onward transmission.

If you do not have COVID, you cannot pass it on. Vaccine effectiveness is not 0 (i.e., it does reduce infection rate), and therefore, on a population, reduces transmission.

Regarding onward transmission - i.e., whether someone with a breakthrough infection is less likely to pass it on - you weren't "promised" anything. it is not possible to test this is clinical trials. In the early days, vaccination did reduce onward transmission, but unfortunately, rapid mutation rates meant this benefit quickly waned.

Unfortuantely the media and politicians have a lot to answer for, and this was not helped by trying to apply policy to a rapidly changing situation.

But we needed them to stop people actually getting it and spreading it

Do you have an alternative suggestion as to how to design, test, and mass produce a vaccine that remains 100% effective against a pathogen with an incredibly rapid mutation rate? Ideally with the roll out completed before an entire population have been exposed @somethinsomethin

Hint: if it hasn't been manged for 'flu or malaria - two pathogens which have been considerable public health concerns for decades - it is unlikely to be managed for SARS-COV-2.

You should do what you think is best, OP.

Personally I'll take the vaccine even if it just gives me a milder version of covid/flu/chickenpox/ whatever and isn't an actual cast-iron vaccine. Science has some dodgy aspects but largely it's kept humans in better health than otherwise.

That's my cost-benefit analysis. Everyone should do their own CBA and just leave others to their decisions.

But we needed them to stop people actually getting it and spreading it. Like every other vaccine I DID have (because I'm not an anti-vaxer!) has done effectively.

This is wrong. NO vaccine stops you getting infected. Not one. You would need to use a force field to keep viruses out of your nose, etc. If you think of polio, you'd think that the vaccine stops you getting polio. It doesn't. You still get it, but you don't go on to get paralysis. Actually polio is basically symptomless for most people, unless you are one of the unlucky ones who goes on to get full blown paralysis because the virus got into your nervous system.

Certainly wouldn’t have gotten the 3 I’ve had, but I thought I was making the right decision at the time for the first two, and then was coerced and forced into taking the booster to travel for work. I got more unwell with each one and have had constant fatigue since, but never got Covid.

My best friend, a healthy and very active 33 year old is currently seeking compensation for her vaccine injury. Her cardiologist has written up the diagnosis for her heart injury with recommendation that she should be compensated with the vaccine being the cause. He also told her that himself and other colleagues have seen many more cases of heart problems in young healthy adults under 45. I will have to ask her again what the actual diagnosis was, because it isn’t one over ever heard before and isn’t myocarditis. She was devastated to discover these sudden heart issues are due to the vaccine, and initially didn’t want to trust what the consultant told her. It has taken her months of very bad health and seeing another doctor to finally come to terms with the fact that her life is forever changed. In fact her health continues to deteriorate.

God yes. I've had COVID since Boxing Day for the first time, and it's thoroughly miserable. Constant vomiting, hell cough, dizziness, loss of taste/smell....I dread to think how bad it would have been if I hadn't had the jabs.

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Went to the dr with symptoms, they did blood tests, sent me to specialist for more tests which then confirmed Hashimoto's. Why do you ask?

@Mummyford
I'll never know if it was triggered by vaccine or would have got it anyway. I haven't had Covid, and I don't think there's any history of Hashiomoto's (or any thyroid issues) in my family (both parents dead).
Not in the UK, so getting diagnosis and treatment for this hasn't been any problem at all.

In my personal circumstances, yes I would have the vaccine and boosters. However I am much less certain that there should be a universal rollout, especially bearing in mind the level of immunity at the moment. People should do their own research.

I have no regrets and work in the NHS with lots of other clinicians. They and their families are also vaxxed and never heard of any concerns or regrets from them either.
I'm sure if there were lots of patients having issues the GPs would have noticed. Odd these problems seem so prevalent on Mumsnet yet not in everyday life

Yes, I've had the initial two doses and first booster.

The last two made me feel really awful but it was worth it at the time. I won't have another booster though unless there's a significant change to the current situation (like a more harmful new variant emerging).

Very glad I had them but I'm done for now.