Parents want me to do and kids to do covid test before visiting

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AIBU for being a bit put out by this?
My brother is also visiting and he's really cautious about covid so it could be driven by him. There is no talk of them doing one.
AIBU to be a bit miffed?

Well this thread explains why covid is rife. Invasive test - hilarious. Bet those of you that call it invasive spend half your life calling others snowflakes as well.

it’s clearly fine in this populist day & age not to give a shit about others but repeated covid infections are not a great idea for anyone’s health. Even the super healthy. So those of you who see any mitigation as some sort of infringement to their human rights might want to check that out - there’s growing evidence (rapidly growing with current covid rates). Or don’t check it out. No skin off my nose.

Oh brother.

Anti-vaxxers expect us to drop dead any moment from blood clots whilst the Codivians think reinfections are killing our immune system.

Public health has really failed us

I think I would resent testing and tell them that we should leave visiting, for another time.

Nope - just Google. Repeat infections triple your risk of covid complications & long covid. And each reinfection increases that risk further. True for vaccinated & unvaccinated We are in a situation now where people are catching it multiple times a year with the outcome of that uncertain but with the research not exactly looking rosy. The risk is only to yourself so of course you are free to choose to take that risk, but others are free to try & mitigate it.

Personally I think there should have been investment in air filtration in public spaces as it would reduce infection rates without asking (or relying on) anyone to do anything.

None of what you say changes my view, there has been a massive overreaction to Covid, vulnerable people e.g. the obese, those with serious lung issues and the very elderly are and have always been at risk of flu related illness, and they need to protect themselves, keep away from young children and public transport in the winter is a start. The sad fact is that the way that we have dealt with covid has caused more harm to young people via jab reaction, missing out on social contact, education has suffered and the economic damage. I don't know anyone who has even been hospitalised for Covid, but I do know 2 people who's cancer treatment has been compromised. We are now getting closer to finding out the truth about the level of deaths and serious illness caused just by the jab. It's almost a case of "the operation was successful, but sadly the patient died".

@Tygger perhaps when the number of cases of vaccine damage approaches ine tenth tenth of the number of deaths from covid (currently running at 183,000, most conservative estimate) you'll have a point. As it is, even the relatively low number of younger people dead or damaged by covid is many hundreds (thousands if you include long covid) of times higher.

I would be annoyed and I certainly wouldn't do it on my young kids.

But the Increase in ADW is not unique and its now accepted that the side effects of the jab are greater than the sum of all the other Vaccines, the yellow card reporting system has been manipulated or ignored to cover up the statistics. I'm not jabbed because I questioned the safety of the jab and the shutting down of scientists with an apposite view on how to manage the disease, according to the NHS I've had covid, although I've not had anything worse than a cold, my view on the jab is that its the choice of the individual to decide what goes into their body, your body your choice, which I also apply to the abortion debate.
Evidence also shows that those supporting the draconian measures didn't actually believe in them, as they didn't abide by their own rules.

One of my kids and one DIL were on the front line, doctor and nurse. They tell me the wards were like war zones, they held people as they made their final calls to loved ones before they died. The doctor has worked in the NHS for over 20 years and says they have never seen anything like it and feel traumatised by what they have been through and are considering giving up their career.

You might not know anyone who has been hospitalised for covid but it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

With the wards overflowing with emergency admissions for covid it was inevitable that other things would suffer, that isn't due to anyone's decision, that is due to covid filling the beds.

I can believe this. My first bout of covid was very mild, I didn't even realise I had it until a routine test, 2nd time I was very ill, turned into pneumonia and 10 months later I'm still struggling with long covid. I hope I don't get it again.

It's my experience based on on personal experiences, that those who've been jabbed are more likely to get recurring bouts of covid and these people suffer more from these recurring bouts, what is still lacking is a grownup debate which encompasses all scientific studies.

Forgive me if I treat the comments quoting your medical relatives, with some scepticism, every winter for many years the NHS is in crisis due to EWD, 2020 was not significantly worse than other years. Certainly the NHS made serious mistakes discharging elderly people back into Care Homes, this warrants an investigation into possible criminal negligence, what we should have done and indeed should do every winter, is to setup locally, quarantine facilities where any patient with a transmittable viral infection can be cared for, mini Nightingale hospitals not the behemoths that were built and never used. People with flu should not go to general hospitals.

@Tygger are the people jabbed working in environments where getting COVID is more likely? Friends who have had COVID multiple times and who have been jabbed all work in schools.

Schools are a reflection of community spread and are not high-risk. Teachers are actually less at risk compared to others, like cooks and factory workers (perhaps more a function of low socioeconomic position than actual danger …)

And long Covid is so overblown. I’ve seen articles about ‘mass disabling’ events it’s ridiculous. Sure some
have lingering effects but a mass disabling? Come on!

Time to move on:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64093155

I would happily do one if everyone was (apart from under 5s) but if they are expecting you to and they and your brother aren’t doing then they are being unreasonable

There were tens of thousands of flu deaths in one of the Winters a few years prior to Covid. We did not go into Lockdown, deny kids an education, destroy businesses, delay cancer treatment, cause the biggest mental health crisis we have ever seen etc etc.

We also know (and I know this from personal experience), that Covid was often not the primary cause of death but was put on death certificates even when there were numerous other health conditions/patient was already at the end of their life. It will be very interesting in years to come when the true statistics come out.

You can have full sympathy with the conditions doctors and nurses worked under (and now work under having to catch up with delayed treatments/patients too afraid to come forward during Covid) and still believe the government policies were completely wrong.

I dont have much respect for most politicians but im pleased Rishi Sunak has made clear he would never impose a Lockdown ever again.

This, this, this! Very well said.

May I also add, before Covid, very few made such a fuss or seemed to be that concerned about those undergoing chemo or any immunosuppressant treatment? These unfortunate individuals have always had to balance their risk and make their own decisions about whether they mixed with others as even a cold could prove serious or even fatal.

Suddenly in 2020, half the population became ‘virtuous’ and ‘caring’, keen to show everyone how righteous they were by testing religiously and wearing their masks, when it was really about protecting themselves. No problem with that, just be honest and don’t wrap it up in moral outrage and smugness.

May I also add, before Covid, very few made such a fuss or seemed to be that concerned about those undergoing chemo or any immunosuppressant treatment?

Before COVID-19 and the pressures on ICU/HDU and hospitals in general, I wonder if the immunocompromised/immunosuppressed
*had some confidence that they would have access to treatment because their local hospitals would be experiencing 'normal' Winter overwhelm rather than COVID-19 levels of overwhelm
*we now have more people, plausibly, who are at later stages of, for example, CKD etc. and awaiting a transplant or putting pressure on related services such as dialysis
*we now have a greater number of clinically frail people (whether by age, by condition, or by virtue of being someone who is living successfully with a condition that would previously have killed them at an earlier age).

The Evusheld #Forgotten500K campaign estimates there are 500,000 people who are high risk/clinically extremely vulnerable. The Independent Advisory Group estimates it as @ 150,000. Other countries make Evusheld available as a prophylactic to the relatively vulnerable which includes all over-50s (that would be >26million for England, might be UK).

getevusheld.uk/500k/

I don't know anything about it but it looks like NICE is looking at it in January 2023 for the Winter of 2023.

www.nice.org.uk/guidance/indevelopment/gid-ta11102

It looks like there's a lot of controversy about whether it works.

Vulnerable people have reported feeling forgotten and there’s a strong argument that the UK government should rethink its COVID strategy on a moral and public health basis. We should invest in new drugs, not withdraw them prematurely. Evusheld may not be perfect, but what alternative is there for an equal chance to “live” amid a now unmitigated pandemic?

theconversation.com/covid-drugs-the-uks-treatment-and-prevention-options-and-how-vulnerable-people-are-being-forgotten-195415

So you can judge what was happening on covid wards better than people who worked on them? DIL has over 20 years experience and she is totally traumatised by what happened with covid.

What are you basing every winter for many years the NHS is in crisis due to EWD, 2020 was not significantly worse than other years on? Everyone I know in the NHS disagrees with you, you know the people who actually did it and are burnt out now.

The ONS estimates that there were 63,000 excess deaths in England and Wales in winter 2020. From the ONS site The excess winter mortality index (EWMI) in England was significantly higher than all winters since the series began in 1991 to 1992. If there were 63,000 excess deaths how many people do you think were sick enough to be in hospital but survived?

Rishi Sunak is in a very different position now compared to 2020, we had no immunity then now lots of people have a natural immunity due to infections or immunity from vaccines or even from a mixture of both. Hopefully he won't need to but who knows what the future holds, maybe the next pandemic will be worse. No one knows the future and that includes Rishi Sunak.

Hopefully he won't need to but who knows what the future holds

I think China’s failure with lockdowns has fully discredited this method, which was totally unproven in the first place. Panic and hysteria were no excuse for this

There's not a chance in hell of a lockdown happening during Sunak's tenure, even in the unlikely event he wanted one. Any statement he makes ruling it out is as much a recognition of that political reality as anything else.

Don't be fooled that you can't catch it again, remember there are numerous strains. I know a guy who had it 3 times in 6 months

Man makes plans, God laughs. I believe it comes from a Jewish saying. I say don't tempt him.