Anyone else considering not having this booster?

[DarkNecessities]

So 4th? one.

Just wondering really as I’m not sure how I feel about it. It seems like a lot to be pumping into my body in a short space of time.
I had Covid booster plus flu jab last year. DH didn’t have flu jab or a booster last time.
DS has never had any

Agree with PP. I've had my booster

@Buzzinwithbez

How was essure allowed to be used for such a long time? How has the mesh scandal been allowed to happen? Why did a midwife have to spend 12 years campaigning for a baby to have more of its own cord blood?

Bez, I'm curious. Do you - or anyone close to you - have any serious health issues? Would you decline medicines because they hadn't been in use long enough or have the capacity to cause other serious side-effects? For example, I'm on a drug that can increase susceptibility to a type of fatal encephalitis. I need to tested regularly for this virus. However, the drug has kept my neurodegenerative disease at bay. It was a new drug at the time (10 years ago) and I weighed up the risks and decided what was best for me.

What would you do?

I'm not having any more Covid jabs. I've had four

1 - AZ was fine
2 - AZ, I passed out, four hours vomiting, in and out of consciousness, ds called an ambulance and they stayed with me until I was conscious & could keep water down.
3 - Pfizer was fine
4 - Moderna, four days terrifying paranoia.

I haven't tested positive for Covid yet but I'm not prepared to risk a rerun of the Moderna jab. I wasn't safe, and I have sole care of my ds. I've reported it all to my GP and to the vaccines yellow card system.

MeetPi I'm glad you have something that is keeping your disease from progressing. Of course we make the best decisions we can. I would have read to the far end of a fart about any medications offered so that I was going in eyes fully open. It's the best we can do.

To answer your question, yes I do, a close family member and they have been the biggest influence on the route I take for my own health. They've done an astonishing job of keeping themselves out of hospital compared to their friends and acquaintances with the same condition. I could also easily have been in the cohort that had a 'little fix' that lead to the sort of nightmare I mentioned above, that was ignored for years while other women continued to be subjected to a procedure with a medical device that was known to be causing harm.

People have died and been injured by each of the vaccines, including someone I know who was one of the first because of their job. Even though they're roundly ignored in the whole, their voices are easy to find if one looks, so there's no dispute that this happens. For me, why would someone who carefully looks after their health put myself forward for something with known ( but rare?) problems, that has a short term protective effect at best?

For me, why would someone who carefully looks after their health put myself forward for something with known ( but rare?) problems, that has a short term protective effect at best?

Crack on. You don't have to.

But just for the record - herd immunity.

I am quite young with no underlying health issues but Covid floored me.

I will be having the jab.

@sunglassesonthetable

But just for the record - herd immunity.

Herd immunity with something that does not make you immune?

Your choice of course, but decisions should be made on facts, and I think it’s a shame when people make choices based on falsehoods like “vaccines overload the immune system” or “we’re pumping our bodies full of chemicals”. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t even contain any preservatives, as some people claimed when they were launched. There’s so much misinformation.

@FictionalCharacter Exactly and those concerned about 'chemicals' should also look at what's in the food they're eating.

I know someone paranoid about 'chemicals' in the Covid vaccine who lives off processed beige food and drinks about 8 cans of Pepsi Max a day 😂

Herd immunity with something that does not make you immune?

Done to death. @peppathe3rd I CBA.

I sometimes wonder if it's deathly dull for certain folk since the heady days of Covid wars on here.

56 billion vaccinations and counting.

@sunglassesonthetable
No idea what you are talking about? What has been done to death? Your comment that, "for the record. herd immunity," in response to someone asking why they should have the jab is simply wrong.

No idea what you are talking about? What has been done to death? Your comment that, "for the record. herd immunity," in response to someone asking why they should have the jab is simply wrong.

Agree.

You'll see it's in response to BuzzinwithBez.

And if you don't see that your previous question has been asked on here countless times, as I'm sure you well know, I can't be bothered explaining.

@sunglassesonthetable
your incorrect statement was understood perfectly well, to whom it was addressed, etc.. your comment was not exactly difficult to decipher, just incorrect. i certainly do not wish for an explanation from you on a subject which you seem to know very little about.

OK @peppathe3rd course you knew what I was getting at 😄

"no idea" that made me lol.

Not interested in giving explanations to anyone. I'll leave that to you buzzing about doing your thing.

I probably would be more open and ask questions if I were in more public-facing role and regularly close up with vulnerable, if I can mitigate spread in meaningful way.
But otherwise, after 3 shots and side-effects and actual Covid, I've had enough.

Had mine today and very grateful. DP and I had Covid for the first time recently and while not horrendous, I'd rather a booster and reduce the risk of getting it again or it being so bad. Had my flu jab last month but had to postpone the Covid booster.

Me too. If I hadn't tested positive I would have said I had meningitis, headache was so excruciating. It took me a year to regain 80% of my smell and taste and I know several friends and teens with LongCovid.

this is from Sir John Bell, (who was on the vaccine taskforce)... Sir John was speaking to MPs on the Science and Technology Committee and Health and Social Care Committee as part of the inquiry into lessons learnt from the Covid pandemic. Asked what the latest evidence showed on the effectiveness of boosters, Sir John said: 'All three of the original vaccines — the AstraZeneca vaccine and the two mRNA vaccines — have been unbelievably effective at eliminating that really dreadful disease that caused so many deaths early on.' And the durability of those vaccines in preventing those problems has been impressive. 'I'm not entirely sure that we even needed boosters. We don't have any clear data on that.' Sir John noted that boosters are 'probably a safe bet for the elderly'. But he suggested that others don't need the jab.
Latest data suggests the top-up doses offer 67 per cent protection against catching Covid — but this only really lasts for 70 days, he said.
Sir John added: 'So, the boosters are not really providing any prolonged protection against transmission — you could have one now and by mid-January you would be getting very little protection against transmission.'
However, natural immunity — protection from a Covid infection rather than vaccine — lowers the risk of catching the virus for around six months, which is a 'material amount', he said. And some people have protection for up to 10 months. He told MPs: 'I think we do need to think quite hard about our vaccination strategy with boosters now — because it may well be allowing the virus to circulate and transmit in populations not at risk of death is probably the best way to protect the population.' Sir John said there is some evidence that Covid is becoming a seasonal disease like flu and that some groups will need a booster every year. He said: 'I think we will need to have annual injections, particularly for the elderly where their immune systems don't work that well anyway.

It's not just about Not dying from Covid though. It's about the impact having Covid has on your whole body, which even if temporary, is significant.

There is increading evidence that Covid damages immune systems making other illnesses more severe. Covid damages immunity cells:

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211028125803.htm

Some studies indicate this damage is cumulative.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/05/health/covid-reinfection-risk/index.html

Covid infection damages the heart: You're 72% more likely to have a heart attack in first 12 months after Covid infection
www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o378

why do people keep quoting veterans studies and say they apply to the whole population????!!! The latter two links you have quoted both reference the same USA veterans study "The study has some important caveats. Al-Aly says it was more common to see reinfections among people who had existing risks because of their age or underlying health. That shows that reinfection may not be random, and it could be that the health risks linked to reinfections aren’t, either."
“It is possible that sicker individuals or people with immune dysfunction are at higher risk of reinfection and adverse health outcomes after reinfection,” Al-Aly said. (Ziyad Al-Aly, MD, Director of the Clinical Epidemiology Center, and the Chief of Research and Education Service at Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System,).

The first study you quoted is carried out between March 2020-Jan 2021 ie.on patients becoming ill before covid vaccines were ever available. None of us are in that position anymore as we have all been exposed to covid already whether before or hopefully after vaccine. If you have any reason to doubt your immune response, of course get boosted whenever offered but there is a material difference in risks between vulnerable/elderly patient groups and otherwise healthy adults.

I'm not sure how vaccination helps with the point you raised. As per the second study.
"The study found that the risk of a new health problem was highest around the time of a Covid-19 reinfection, but it also persisted for at least six months. The increased risk was present whether or not someone had been vaccinated, and it was graded -- meaning it increased with each subsequent infection."

So vaccination neither prevents catching covid nor reduces the chance of additional health problems.
Do they know yet what mechanism is causing these complications?

So vaccination neither prevents catching covid nor reduces the chance of additional health problems.

Cherry picking sentences to back up these incorrect claims seems a little silly @Buzzinwithbez

If vaccination neither reduced someone's chances of getting COVID, or suffering worse outcomes, then clearly there would be no point in having it. Governments wouldn't bother paying for the roll out if it wasn't going to save them money (I.e., by reducing illness, sick leave, demands on healthcare system etc).

If this was the case, I wouldn't bother having the booster if offered, and I'd tell my parents, partner (in a risk group) and sister (pregnant) not to have it either, as clearly there would be no benefits to outweigh the small chance of known risks. I'm completely open minded to changing my opinion based on the currently available evidence.

But there is replicated data globally (including for the updated bivalent booster) demonstrating benefits.

We get it - you don't want to be vaccinated which is fine- but you're claiming white is black to try and push this viewpoint.

I don't believe that for one second.

OK 🙄

Seriously? ONE person claims her periods have stopped and because of that you'd rather risk your child getting seriously ill and/or getting long covid? Despite the millions of women of childbearing age who report no side effects from the vaccine?

If this is how you make important decisions, please don't ever sit on a jury or vote in an election.

I've not long had my fourth vaccination.

I'm in my fifties.

I'm losing patience waiting for mine to stop...